Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Eric Margolis: "The Coup Against Hamas"

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Israel/Palestine Donate to DU
 
scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-25-07 07:10 PM
Original message
Eric Margolis: "The Coup Against Hamas"
THE COUP AGAINST HAMAS

June 25, 2007

<snip>

After the huge fiascos in Afghanistan, Iraq and Somalia, Washington’s political alchemists are now working their latest magic in the Palestinian Territories, two, giant, open-air prison camps – the West Bank and Gaza - surrounded by Israeli security forces.

<snip>

After President George Bush commanded democracy to flower in the Arab World, to his shock and awe, Hamas won a major democratic electoral victory in the region’s second free election. The first, in Algeria in 1991, produced a landslide for the Islamist reformist movement, FIS. Algeria’s French and US-backed army quickly annulled the election and jailed FIS leaders.

Washington quickly sent $80 million of US arms to Dahlan’s Fatah fighters, who were trained and organized by CIA specialists. Mirroring events in Algeria, the Bush Administration and Israel set about planning a coup against the democratically-elected Hamas-led government. Seeing an attack imminent, Hamas struck first, running the US proxy Fatah forces out of Gaza.

<snip>

America can always buy local yes-men, but it can’t buy popular support, respect, or peace in the Arab World. But the harsh lessons of Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon and Somalia seem to have made no impression on the neoconservatives and born-again Christian extremists who are driving the Bush Administration’s hugely destructive Mideast policy.


Please go to the link and read the whole piece...
sw
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-25-07 07:15 PM
Response to Original message
1. If I may add ever so slightly to the context here...
The part where "Seeing an attack imminent, Hamas struck first," this came after months of increasingly sharp skirmishes between the two sides, something that's really easy to forget after the fact.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-25-07 07:21 PM
Response to Reply #1
3. It's not forgotten, the "context" has been self-evident ever since Hamas' electoral victory. (nt)
Edited on Mon Jun-25-07 07:22 PM by scarletwoman
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rudeboy666 Donating Member (959 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-25-07 07:15 PM
Response to Original message
2. ANYONE (Good or Evil) could be democratically elected.
More is required.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-25-07 07:27 PM
Response to Reply #2
4. Of course. So, would you be perfectly fine if a foreign nation showed up here to overturn
OUR elections if they disliked the results?

sw
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-25-07 07:29 PM
Response to Original message
5. anyone paying attention will remember that hamas won the last elections
Edited on Mon Jun-25-07 07:32 PM by bullimiami
and were forced to share power with fatah.

and obviously the people that elected them expected them to take office. for good or evil.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-25-07 10:20 PM
Response to Reply #5
12.  And Bush pushed Abbas to hold those elections
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-25-07 10:27 PM
Response to Reply #5
15. How were they "forced" to share power; they didn't get 100% of the popular vote.
Therefore it was automatic they would share power.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-25-07 07:51 PM
Response to Original message
6. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-25-07 08:12 PM
Response to Reply #6
8. Okay. Well, that's that, then. Jim Sagle has spoken.
I happen to appreciate reading his opinions, I find his viewpoints interesting and thought-provoking even when I don't entirely agree.

I guess that makes me "pro-terrorist", too.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-25-07 10:47 PM
Response to Reply #8
16. From some you can expect nothing but venom and hate.
Edited on Mon Jun-25-07 10:47 PM by Tom Joad
It's despicable!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-25-07 10:58 PM
Response to Reply #16
18. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-25-07 11:07 PM
Response to Reply #18
19. BWA!!!! BWA!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
number6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-25-07 08:12 PM
Response to Original message
7. people are only allowed to
to elect people the US gov. approves of ..

Fatah puppets of US and Israel
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-25-07 08:30 PM
Response to Reply #7
9. Quite true. Just ask Mohammad Mossadegh, Salvadore Allende, or Hugo Chavez... (nt)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
number6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-25-07 09:14 PM
Response to Reply #9
10. yes, Just ask any U.S. citizen if they know the story
of Mohammad Mossadegh, Salvadore Allende, or Hugo Chavez.

few of us know what our Government has done.

then they wonder why there's blowback
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-25-07 09:35 PM
Response to Reply #10
11. Well, those few of us who DO know, need to keep spreading our knowledge as best we can. (nt)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-25-07 10:21 PM
Response to Reply #7
13.  Fatah puppets? Where have all those kassams been coming from?
Edited on Mon Jun-25-07 11:14 PM by barb162
The US and Israel like those kassams being shot at Israel the last few years? That's ludicrous.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-25-07 11:25 PM
Response to Reply #13
20. The Kassams don't come from the Fatah leadership.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 12:23 AM
Response to Reply #20
21.  What did the leadership do to stop it?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-25-07 10:23 PM
Response to Original message
14. Which Mideast countries support Haniyeh these days?
Other than Iran.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 04:39 PM
Response to Reply #14
23. Syria.
One rumour was that a bunch of Hamas military chiefs went to Cairo a few days back to fly to Damascus for consultation.

Just a rumor, but since the head of Hamas (increasingly less powerful, of course) lives in Damascus ...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-25-07 10:57 PM
Response to Original message
17.  This article is drool.
Edited on Mon Jun-25-07 11:05 PM by barb162
Samples:

"....the West Bank and Gaza - surrounded by Israeli security forces."

Isn't Egypt over there too, on the south side of Gaza? You know...Rafah, that area that is now closed off by the Egyptians?

"After President George Bush commanded democracy to flower in the Arab World, to his shock and awe,"

Shock and awe? Abbas warned the US about the elections and Hamas and kept stalling the elections. Also the polling coming up to the election was showing the race was extremely close and could go either way.

This opinion piece seems to be one of those blame everything on America pieces. America caused the Palestinian split? Were the Palestinians ever (if at all)that unified to begin with? I think they were throwing each other off roofs with too much zeal if they were only acting as pawns of the satan US.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rayofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 10:10 AM
Response to Original message
22. The Palestinians...
...voted for Hamas. And they have to deal with the consequences of voting for a group of murderous gangsters who have no interest in any peace with any Israelis.

At every historical juncture the Palestinians seem to have made the worse choice. Sometimes you have to hit rock bottom before you can start to move in the right direction. Hopefully the recent events are that rock bottom. On the other hand, never underestimate the capability of fanatics to dig.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Tue May 07th 2024, 12:03 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Israel/Palestine Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC