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Equinox Donating Member (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-03 07:17 PM
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Israel: The Alternative
Israel: The Alternative
By Tony Judt


But the crisis in the Middle East won't go away. President Bush will probably be conspicuous by his absence from the fray for the coming year, having said just enough about the "road map" in June to placate Tony Blair. But sooner or later an American statesman is going to have to tell the truth to an Israeli prime minister and find a way to make him listen. Israeli liberals and moderate Palestinians have for two decades been thanklessly insisting that the only hope was for Israel to dismantle nearly all the settlements and return to the 1967 borders, in exchange for real Arab recognition of those frontiers and a stable, terrorist-free Palestinian state underwritten (and constrained) by Western and international agencies. This is still the conventional consensus, and it was once a just and possible solution.

But I suspect that we are already too late for that. There are too many settlements, too many Jewish settlers, and too many Palestinians, and they all live together, albeit separated by barbed wire and pass laws. Whatever the "road map" says, the real map is the one on the ground, and that, as Israelis say, reflects facts. It may be that over a quarter of a million heavily armed and subsidized Jewish settlers would leave Arab Palestine voluntarily; but no one I know believes it will happen. Many of those settlers will die—and kill— rather than move. The last Israeli politician to shoot Jews in pursuit of state policy was David Ben-Gurion, who forcibly disarmed Begin's illegal Irgun militia in 1948 and integrated it into the new Israel Defense Forces. Ariel Sharon is not Ben-Gurion.<3>

The time has come to think the unthinkable. The two-state solution— the core of the Oslo process and the present "road map"—is probably already doomed. With every passing year we are postponing an inevitable, harder choice that only the far right and far left have so far acknowledged, each for its own reasons. The true alternative facing the Middle East in coming years will be between an ethnically cleansed Greater Israel and a single, integrated, binational state of Jews and Arabs, Israelis and Palestinians. That is indeed how the hard-liners in Sharon's cabinet see the choice; and that is why they anticipate the removal of the Arabs as the ineluctable condition for the survival of a Jewish state.

But what if there were no place in the world today for a "Jewish state"? What if the binational solution were not just increasingly likely, but actually a desirable outcome? It is not such a very odd thought. Most of the readers of this essay live in pluralist states which have long since become multiethnic and multicultural. "Christian Europe," pace M. Valéry Giscard d'Estaing, is a dead letter; Western civilization today is a patchwork of colors and religions and languages, of Christians, Jews, Muslims, Arabs, Indians, and many others—as any visitor to London or Paris or Geneva will know.<4>

Israel itself is a multicultural society in all but name; yet it remains distinctive among democratic states in its resort to ethnoreligious criteria with which to denominate and rank its citizens. It is an oddity among modern nations not—as its more paranoid supporters assert—because it is a Jewish state and no one wants the Jews to have a state; but because it is a Jewish state in which one community—Jews —is set above others, in an age when that sort of state has no place.


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To convert Israel from a Jewish state to a binational one would not be easy, though not quite as impossible as it sounds: the process has already begun de facto. But it would cause far less disruption to most Jews and Arabs than its religious and nationalist foes will claim. In any case, no one I know of has a better idea: anyone who genuinely supposes that the controversial electronic fence now being built will resolve matters has missed the last fifty years of history. The "fence"—actually an armored zone of ditches, fences, sensors, dirt roads (for tracking footprints), and a wall up to twenty-eight feet tall in places—occupies, divides, and steals Arab farmland; it will destroy villages, livelihoods, and whatever remains of Arab-Jewish community. It costs approximately $1 million per mile and will bring nothing but humiliation and discomfort to both sides. Like the Berlin Wall, it confirms the moral and institutional bankruptcy of the regime it is intended to protect.

A binational state in the Middle East would require a brave and relentlessly engaged American leadership. The security of Jews and Arabs alike would need to be guaranteed by international force—though a legitimately constituted binational state would find it much easier policing militants of all kinds inside its borders than when they are free to infiltrate them from outside and can appeal to an angry, excluded constituency on both sides of the border.<5> A binational state in the Middle East would require the emergence, among Jews and Arabs alike, of a new political class. The very idea is an unpromising mix of realism and utopia, hardly an auspicious place to begin. But the alternatives are far, far worse.

From: The New York Review of Books
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-03 07:37 PM
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1. Thanks for posting
This is what moderates have been saying like forever. I know that there are over 40 UN resolutions against Israel, and I'm sure the bulk of them have to do with the illegal settlements. If Israel would give them up, they'd find peace, imho.
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forgethell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-03 08:52 PM
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2. I think that
a binational state will soon enough look like, oh, Saudi Arabia. In general, I know there are exceptions, so don't go off half-cocked flaming me, but the Islamic world has not been historically good on tolerance. Before, you give me any crap about the vast tolerance for Christians and Jews that they had in the Middle Ages, let me make 2 points. this ain't the Middle Ages, and expecting Christians and Jews to assume a "Dhimmi" status is not reasonable. It would be like asking an American black to wear special clothes (perhaps they could make a noose out of silver for those that could afford it. So charming), pay special taxes, have his word valued at 1/2 a white's in a court of law. They've been there and done that and, rightly, won't take it anymore. So have the Jews.

So what we have is an immovable object and an irresistable force. Which is a logical contradiction. If one exists, then the other can't. In the end, someone will win, and it sorta depends on which one does as to which ethnic group is going to be cleansed from Greater Israel/Palesistin-from-the-river-to-the sea.

I would love to be wrong on this, but I don't think that I am. I think the time of the moderates has passed.
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Equinox Donating Member (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 08:28 AM
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3. Your whole post is based on false logic....
If you would take the time to see that if a binational state would exist as a democracy and be secular...then the rest is moot. No one would be offended...but you didn't want to do that so....

:shrug:

American black

quite telling.....

:eyes:
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forgethell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 11:23 PM
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4. Not at all
It is my belief that there is a significant portion of the Palestinian people that DO NOT WANT to live in peace with Israel. It is my belief that the vast majority of the Islamic world is NOY democratic. It is my belief that the Israelis would be stupid and foolish to trust that is they just gave the Palestinians total control of the Isralei state, everything would be hunky-dory. It si my belief that they will not do that. Democracy, without some constraints on the power of the majority, will lead to tyranny. Even here, in the United States, with a MINORITY of th evotes, look what * is managing to do.

You whole argument is base on head-in-the sandism. IMO
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Lithos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-03 01:08 AM
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