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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 11:19 AM
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Kucinich Denounces Bush Policy on Gaza
WASHINGTON - July 16 - Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) sent the following letter to President Bush yesterday:

The Honorable George W. Bush
President
1600 Pennsylvania Ave NW
Washington, DC 20500

Dear President Bush:

Thank you for requesting that the Department of State respond to my letter of May 14, 2008 regarding the ongoing crisis in Gaza and Israel.

Your letter states that “it is Hamas’ behavior that is responsible for the current crisis, and any meaningful improvements on the ground will require Hamas to end its attacks against Israel.” This response is very troubling.

The responsibility to care for the civilian population in Gaza is Israel’s, pursuant to the Fourth Geneva Convention (FGC) which defines the protection afforded civilians in times of war and military occupation. Israel’s right to national security indeed affords it the right to take action against Hamas. However that action should not and cannot amount to collective punishment as it does today. The current crisis may be exacerbated, instigated, even perpetuated by Hamas, but the responsibility for beginning and ending the humanitarian crisis is certainly not Hamas’s.

As an occupying power, only Israel has the ability to resume the flow of basic goods and humanitarian supplies into, and out of, the Gaza Strip. To make the resumption of such goods contingent on Hamas’s behavior is to endorse the collective punishment of Gaza’s 1.5 million population in contravention of Article 33 of the FGC. Moreover, by supporting Israel’s practice of collective punishment in response to Hamas’s abominable attacks, the U.S. State Department effectively abdicates its diplomatic principles and its role as a “honest broker”.

The Gaza-Israel ceasefire, enacted on June 19, 2008, has done little to mitigate the humanitarian crisis wrought by the Israeli-imposed blockade of Gaza. The United States can and should use its influence to urge Israel to continue to ease restrictions on goods, economic activity and movement into and out of the Gaza Strip.

Additionally, the United States can help to improve conditions in Gaza by supporting United Nations programming. At present, the United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) is able to provide an additional 12,500 jobs in Gaza as part of their sponsorship of The Summer Games. To create these jobs, UNRWA needs an additional $30 million in funding. The U.S. should work with the international community to fill this funding gap.

I look forward to your prompt response regarding the above concerns. Thank you for your attention to this matter.

Sincerely,

Dennis J. Kucinich
Member of Congress

http://www.commondreams.org/news2008/0716-02.htm
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PDJane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 11:27 AM
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1. Cheers for Dennis
I still can't figure out why he isn't in Obama's place at the moment. He's a much better bet for real change.
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mikelgb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 11:52 AM
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4. he should be an adviser at least
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Vegasaurus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 09:54 PM
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14. He;s a loon and unelectable
that's why he isn't in Obama's place right now.

Obama has a chance to be elected. I would think as a democrat, you would stand behind our candidate.

Obama will not abandon Israel.

If you think a candidate who would could be elected in the US, you are hopelessly misguided.

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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 11:32 AM
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2. It took 2 months to get a response? Gheesh!
"Thank you for requesting that the Department of State respond to my letter of May 14, 2008 "

DK should be our nominee. :(
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Sezu Donating Member (920 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 11:51 AM
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3. Another moron who thinks "collective punishment," has grown
a new meaning since its origin with Nazis killing civilians collectively, deliberately and publically as punishment. The money pumped into Gaza over the years has led ONLY to well armed terrorism. Why would anyone but a moron want that to continue. Real aid in the form of food, water and medical supplies arrives REGULARLY in Gaza despite the hyperbole. Gazans once had what this moron wants and they blew it and became more violent and terrorist. Israel performs her humanitarian duties just fine despite the calls of those who wish to see the terrorists get better equipped and fatter as a result of extra funds. This political hack will get a lot of ego boosting out of this letter no doubt but he continues to show his complete uselessness as anything but a schill for other useful idiots.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 12:07 PM
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6. The moron is
you. Dennis has it right. You have it bassackwards.
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 12:09 PM
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7. This statement:
Edited on Sat Jul-19-08 12:10 PM by Phx_Dem
"As an occupying power, only Israel has the ability to resume the flow of basic goods and humanitarian supplies into, and out of, the Gaza Strip."

is FLAT OUT WRONG.

Dennis is either stupid or does not give a shit about accuracy.

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Sezu Donating Member (920 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 12:11 PM
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8. Obama recently spoke of the BOMB dropped on
Pearl Harbour. And obvious miststement. But Dennis? I'm with you.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 12:13 PM
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9. Israel doesn't occupy Palestinian land??
They've moved back behind 1967 borders?? Give me a break. Israel is an occupying power, and they have systematically tried to starve the civilian population of Gaza. Israel has a legal and a moral obligation to correct the humanitarian crisis that was brought on by Israel's own illegal actions.
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 12:21 PM
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11. Whether they "occupy" gaza or not
is more or less beside the point. Israel has allowed and continues to allow goods to move through the gaza crossings and the Gazans could utilize the Egypt crossing if the Egyptians would allow it.

Israel has a legal and moral obligation to protect it's citizens which is exactly what the GOI is doing through Gaza travel restrictions etc.

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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 12:32 PM
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12. They don't allow oxygen for those who need it, they don't allow fuel for vehicles..
they have caused a humanitarian crisis not much different from the one in Darfur. Israel has the right to defend itself against HAMAS. They don't have the right to collectively punish all Gazan civilians for Hamas' actions.

Israel CAN do wrong, and they HAVE done wrong. There is blame enough on both sides. But, to deny Israel's responsibility for STARTING the humanitarian crisis, and thus removing Israe'ls responsibility for ENDING it is just plain immoral.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01hqVzViFTw
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Dick Dastardly Donating Member (741 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 12:24 AM
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16. Not much different than Darfur? That is a such absolute rubbish that it shoots any credibility
you may have had.



Israel has the right to defend itself against HAMAS. They don't have the right to collectively punish all Gazan civilians for Hamas' actions.



Hamas is the elected representive and are in control of Gaza. Israel is allowed to defend itself even if that were not so and regardless of many hardships that are caused to the population as long as it fufills its minimal obligations which it does. It is not required to trade or provide anything to Gaza. International law does not require Israel to supply Gaza with fuel or electricity or, indeed, with any other materials, goods, or services. They are not even required to supply any humanitarian goods and food but they do. They also allow humanitarian supplies from other countries in. There is nothing in international law that requires Israel to maintain open borders with such a hostile territory, whatever its sovereign status. Exercising legal counter-measures against a hostile entity does not constitute "collective punishment" under international law. Israel does not control the Egyptian border either. Many states suspended trade and diplomatic relations with Aparthied South Africa but the charge of "collective punishment" was not raised. Many European states suspended trade and diplomatic relations with Austria when Jorg Haider was elected but there was no chare of "collective punishment". There are countless other examples


These article show your claim is spurious

International Law and Gaza: The Assault on Israel's Right to Self-Defense


Israel's imposition of economic sanctions on the Gaza Strip is a perfectly legal means of responding to Palestinian attacks. Since Israel is under no legal obligation to engage in trade of fuel or anything else with Gaza, or to maintain open borders, it may withhold commercial items and seal its borders at its discretion.

The bar on collective punishment forbids the imposition of criminal-type penalties to individuals or groups on the basis of another's guilt. None of Israel's actions involve the imposition of criminal-type penalties.

There is no legal basis for maintaining that Gaza is occupied territory. The Fourth Geneva Convention refers to territory as occupied where the territory is of a state party to the convention and the occupier "exercises the functions of government" in the territory. Gaza is not territory of another state party to the convention and Israel does not exercise the functions of government in the territory.


Due to internal political considerations as well as rulings by the Israeli Supreme Court, Israel continues to maintain the flow of basic humanitarian supplies such as food, medicine and water to the Palestinian population of Gaza. In a recent case (Albassiouni v. Prime Minister, HCJ 9132/07), the Israeli Supreme Court implied that it interpreted domestic Israeli administrative law to require the Israeli government to maintain a minimum flow of Israeli-supplied necessary humanitarian goods when engaging in retorsional acts such as cutting off the Israeli supply of electricity to Gaza. Thus, even if there were a legal basis for considering Gaza Israeli-occupied territory, Israel would be fulfilling its duties under the Fourth Geneva Convention.

However, there is no legal basis for maintaining that Gaza is occupied territory. The Fourth Geneva Convention refers to territory as occupied where the territory is of another "High Contracting Party" (i.e., a state party to the convention) and the occupier "exercises the functions of government" in the occupied territory. The Gaza Strip is not territory of another state party to the convention and Israel does not exercise the functions of government-or, indeed, any significant functions-in the territory. It is clear to all that the elected Hamas government is the de facto sovereign of the Gaza Strip and does not take direction from Israel, or from any other state.

Some have argued that states can be considered occupiers even of areas where they do not declare themselves in control so long as the putative occupiers have effective control. For instance, in 2005, the International Court of Justice opined that Uganda could be considered the occupier of Congolese territory over which it had "substituted own authority for that of the Congolese Government" even in the absence of a formal military administration. Some have argued that this shows that occupation may occur even in the absence of a full-scale military presence and claimed that this renders Israel an occupier under the Fourth Geneva Convention. However, these claims are clearly without merit. First, Israel does not otherwise fulfill the conditions of being an occupier; in particular, Israel does not exercise the functions of government in Gaza, and it has not substituted its authority for the de facto Hamas government. Second, Israel cannot project effective control in Gaza. Indeed, Israelis and Palestinians well know that projecting such control would require an extensive military operation amounting to the armed conquest of Gaza. Military superiority over a neighbor, and the ability to conquer a neighbor in an extensive military operation, does not itself constitute occupation. If it did, the United States would have to be considered the occupier of Mexico, Egypt the occupier of Libya and Gaza, and China the occupier of North Korea.

Moreover, it is difficult to avoid the conclusion that foes of Israel claiming that Israel has legal duties as the "occupier" of Gaza are insincere in their legal analysis. If Israel were indeed properly considered an occupier, under Article 43 of the regulations attached to the Fourth Hague Convention of 1907, it would be required to take "all the measures in power to restore, and ensure, as far as possible, public order and safety." Thus, those who contend that Israel is in legal occupation of Gaza must also support and even demand Israeli military operations in order to disarm Palestinian terror groups and militias. Additionally, claims of occupation necessarily rely upon a belief that the occupying power is not the true sovereign of the occupied territory. For that reason, those who claim that Israel occupies Gaza must believe that the border between Israel and Gaza is an international border between separate sovereignties. Yet, many of those claiming that Gaza is occupied, like John Dugard, also simultaneously and inconsistently claim that Israel is legally obliged to open the borders between Israel and Gaza. No state is required to leave its international borders open.



http://jcpa.org/JCPA/Templates/ShowPage.asp?DRIT=1&DBID=1&LNGID=1&TMID=111&FID=378&PID=0&IID=2021&TTL=International_Law_and_Gaza:_The_Assault_on_Israel%E2%80%99s_Right_to_Self-Defensebr%20/




Is Israel Bound by International Law to Supply Utilities, Goods, and Services to Gaza?


International officials are entitled to object on political grounds to Israel imposing even limited economic sanctions in response to Palestinian terrorism. However, they err in insinuating that international law forbids Israel's actions. International law does not require Israel to supply Gaza with fuel or electricity or, indeed, with any other materials, goods, or services.

What Does Article 23 of the Fourth Geneva Convention Say?

Article 23 of the Fourth Geneva Convention requires parties to certain conflicts to permit transit to enemy civilian populations of a limited number of items under a limited set of conditions. However, the fighting in and around the Gaza Strip is not a conflict covered by the Fourth Geneva Convention: the conflict is not one between state parties to the Convention, and Gaza is not occupied territory. Therefore, Israel is free to ignore the injunctions of Article 23.

Even if it were bound by the Fourth Geneva Convention, Israel would be acting in full compliance with international law. Article 23 of the Fourth Geneva Convention permits states like Israel to cut off fuel supplies and electricity to territories like Gaza. Article 23 only requires a party to permit passage of food, clothing, and medicines intended for children under fifteen, expectant mothers, and maternity cases. Were Article 23 to apply, Israel would still be under no obligation to permit passage of electricity or fuel or any items other than food, clothing or medicine.

Moreover, under Article 23, Israel would be under no obligation to provide anything itself; Israel would only be required not to interfere with consignments of food, etc. sent by others. Article 23 does not require unfettered passage of food, clothing, and medicine to the entire civilian population of enemy territory; if the article applied, Israel would be required only to permit passage for the benefit of Palestinian children, mothers of newborns, and pregnant women.

Finally, under Article 23, a party can block passage even of food, clothing, and medicine for children and mothers if it has serious grounds for worrying that the items will be intercepted before reaching their destination or that the items may benefit the enemy's economy by substitution. Israel has excellent grounds for fearing both of these results, especially after Hamas seized fourteen Red Crescent trucks with humanitarian aid on Feb. 7, 2008, on the pretext that only Hamas may decide how to distribute aid in Gaza. Thus, Article 23 would permit Israel to block shipments even of food, clothing, and medicine intended for children, pregnant women, and mothers of newborns.


What Does Article 70 of 1977 Say?

Article 70 of the First Protocol Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 1977 creates a slightly broader duty regarding the provision of food, medical supplies, clothing, bedding, means of shelter, and "other supplies essential to the survival of the civilian population." Israel, however, is not a party to the First Protocol and is therefore not bound by the provisions of Article 70.

Even if Israel were so bound, Article 70 does not list fuel and electricity as items for which passage must be permitted. Moreover, Article 70 does not place any duty on warring parties to supply the required items. It imposes a general duty on all states to organize "relief actions" and on the warring parties not to interfere with the actions. Thus, under Article 70, Israel would have no obligation to provide fuel or electricity; indeed, it would not even have any particular duty to provide food and medicine. At most, Article 70 would require Israel to permit transit to others' shipments of food and medicine. Israel already does this without Article 70.

Must Israel Ensure a Minimum Supply of Fuel and Electricity to Gaza?

More generally, the Israeli Justice Ministry has acknowledged a duty under customary international law not to interfere with the supply of basic humanitarian items such as food and medicine, and the Israeli Supreme Court has enforced this duty in several decisions (most recently, HCJ 9132/07, Ahmed v Prime Minister, on Jan. 30, 2008).

In a Feb. 11, 2008, article in the Jerusalem Post, a former Israeli Foreign Ministry attorney summarized this acknowledged duty expansively and inaccurately as a requirement that Israel ensure a minimum necessary supply of food, fuel, and electricity to prevent starvation or a humanitarian crisis. Even if the duty were as broad as in this misstatement, Israel has not breached its duty by cutting off Israeli fuel; Israel has only reduced supplies, while Gaza maintains more than sufficient supplies for basic humanitarian needs.

Israel is not required by its customary general humanitarian duties to provide required items itself, only not to interfere with their passage. And fuel and electricity are almost certainly not items that Israel or other warring parties are required to supply. Additionally, Israel is not the sole available source of fuel and electricity to Gaza and, therefore, even if it were true that, as Milibank and Alexander stated, "without a steady supply of electricity hospitals cannot function, pumping stations and sewage systems fail, and access to clean water is denied," Israel would not be required to permit passage of fuel and electricity. Moreover, given the likelihood of Hamas diversion of assistance, even the customary rule permits Israel to interfere with the passage of humanitarian items to ensure that they do not reach the wrong hands or benefit the military efforts or economy of the enemy.

Beyond these customary duties, the same Israeli attorney wrote that "the international community [] regards Israel as continuing to have some responsibility for ensuring supplies to the civilian population" because Gaza "depends" on Israel for its electricity and water after local mismanagement of water supplies, several decades of Israeli military administration, Israeli control of Gazan airspace, and continuing military clashes. Unfortunately, he inaccurately referred to the Israeli curbs on the supply of goods as a "blockade" and misleadingly refrained from noting explicitly that there is no legal basis for the stated expectations of the "international community."

None of the grounds referenced by the Jerusalem Post article provide a legal basis for claiming that Israel must supply Gaza with electricity or the like. First, dependence on foreign supply - whether it be Gazan dependence on Israeli electricity, European dependence on Arab oil, or Somali dependence on foreign food aid - does not create a legal duty to continue the supply. Absent specific treaty requirements, countries may cut off oil sales to other countries at any time. Second, neither Israel nor any other country is required to supply goods in response to its foes' resource mismanagement or lack of natural bounty. Third, there is no precedent or legal text that creates legal duties on the basis of a former military administration. For instance, as the article noted, no one has ever argued that Egypt has legal duties to supply goods to Gaza due to its former military occupation of the Gaza Strip. Fourth, control of airspace does not create a legal duty to supply goods either. For instance, UN Security Council-ordered no-fly zones in Iraq and Libya were not seen as the source of any legal duty to supply those countries with electricity, water, or other goods. Finally, military clashes do not themselves create a legal duty to supply goods. Only occupation as described by the Fourth Geneva Convention requires an occupier to ensure supply of goods. In other cases of military clashes, the parties' duty is limited to not interfering with the passage of certain humanitarian goods, as described above.

http://www.mesi.org.uk/ViewArticle.aspx?ArticleId=110



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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 11:08 PM
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13. Egypt has said it would keep Rafah closed
until the "fate" of Gilad Shalit is decided, this is part of the on going negotiations.

SHARM EL-SHEIKH, Egypt (AFP) — Egypt told Israel on Tuesday that it will keep its Rafah crossing with Gaza closed until the fate of captured soldier Gilad Shalit is resolved, a senior Israeli official said.

"We received clear assurances that Rafah will not be opened as long as the question of Shalit is not solved," said the official, who was present at talks between Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak and Israeli President Ehud Olmert.


http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iW4d6nNUbvvTSvq1tCzp1qA5TwoA

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Dick Dastardly Donating Member (741 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 11:49 PM
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15. They do not occupy Gaza
They have not tried to starve Gaza
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 12:15 PM
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10. Nice edit. nt
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 11:54 AM
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5. Does Dennis think Egypt was moved somewhere else?
Edited on Sat Jul-19-08 11:56 AM by Phx_Dem
What an idiot.
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subsuelo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 09:07 AM
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17. speaking up in favor of the human rights of Gazans
Surely will get the right wing nuts all fired up.

Keep at it, Dennis! Keep at it.
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