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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 12:31 PM
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Nasrallah: 'Failed' IDF generals caused Georgia defeat in war
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"Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah on Thursday asserted that "failed" Israeli generals had caused Georgia's defeat in its current war with Russia.

"Israel exported failed generals in order to train the Georgian armed forces, including general Gal Hirsch, and we all know that the Georgian army was defeated by the Russian forces," Nasrallah said in a speech to mark two years since the end of the Second Lebanon War.

Brig. Gen. (Res.) Gal Hirsch was the commander of the Israel Defense Forces' Galilee Brigade when reservists Ehud Goldwasser and Eldad Regev were abducted by Hezbollah on the northern border, sparking the Second Lebanon War. He operates a privately-owned Israeli military contractors that recently trained Georgian security forces.

Nasrallah also declared in the speech that Israel's defense minister and army chief's "failures" in the past meant they did not scare his Lebanese militant organization today."

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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 12:33 PM
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1. Yes, well, Nasrallah has his view.
What was he promised?
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 12:36 PM
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2. All right. A hotheaded leader drags his country into a war with a much bigger country with a
ruthless leader with far more military amenities-

and when they lose it's OF COURSE the fault of Israel.

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Sezu Donating Member (920 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 01:03 PM
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3. But this will SELL among the big Nas' followers as they
continue to convince themselves and other Arabs that Israel can be taken because it is weak. It follows the rhetoric of their "divine victory."
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ProgressiveMuslim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 02:06 PM
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5. From the perspective of Hezbollah, Israel *was* taken.


They got kicked out of Lebanon, and the Lebanese got their prisoners back.

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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 02:50 PM
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6. When has Hezbollah lost against Israel?
True Lebanon lost more civilians or "citizens" as the wiki page reads, but Hezbollah held around 1/5 of the parliamentary seats in Lebanon at the beginning of the 2006 campaign, now they hold 1/3 and have veto power, an Israeli withdrawal, along with getting the prisoners they demanded from the beginning.
The same goes for the '80's, Hezbollah in a way owes it's very existence to Israel and apparently Israel is only too happy to help them with that.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 03:22 PM
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7. I was referring to Russia/Georgia, not Hezbollah/Israel
And to Nasrallah's enthusiasm for blaming Israel for other countries' misfortunes. No doubt the motive is to imply that Israel are military incompetents, and that therefore Hezbollah can beat them; but his reference was directly to Georgia.
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Sezu Donating Member (920 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 08:18 PM
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8. So you believe Islamic thugs would only have
succeeded because of Israel? Look around.
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 03:43 PM
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11. To which "Islamist Thugs" are you refering?
The comment was about specifically Hezbollah, who does "owe" its existence to the Israeli invasion of Lebanon in 1982. And was empowered by the 2006 campaign. As to other groups such al-Qaeda or the Taliban no Israel had little to do with those, to a degree the first Bush administration gets the credit.
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Vegasaurus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 06:41 AM
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9. It's always good to have another terrorist group running a government nt
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 03:44 PM
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12. I suppose those that always excuse blood being spilled
when the it's Arab blood, that would be good news
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Vegasaurus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 03:47 PM
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13. Terrorists cause blood to be spilled
They don't mind spilling Arab blood, Jewish blood, Christian blood, or any nationalities, as we have seen from worldwide terrorism.

It isn't good news, which is why Hamas and Hezbollah running a government is bad for everyone, their own people and others too.
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 03:55 PM
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14. Just as I expected n/t
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Vegasaurus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 08:43 PM
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16. You deny that Hez and Hamas are terrorist groups?
That would be funny, if innocent lives weren't at stake.

And these are the kind of people you support running a government? Those that call for the destruction of another people and state?

You have a strange set of priorities.
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 10:58 PM
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17. Nope nice try though
I was talking solely about your predictable reaction it's "all the terrorists fault", If you feel that I am "supporting terrorism" by pointing out what has happened in the past then alert the mods
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 01:11 PM
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4. Swell guy.
I bash Israeli politicians all the time for dick-waving blather like this.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 02:12 PM
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10. Source: Secret IDF material went unguarded in Georgia
Former Israeli soldier returns disillusioned from training Georgian soldiers for company owned by Brig.-Gen. Hirsch in preparation for war with Russia; says confidential army material such as charts, officers' names was revealed to foreign troops

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3583278,00.html

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"Tomer (alias), formerly a soldier of an elite IDF unit, returned from Georgia a short while ago. He was enlisted by Defensive Shield, a company owned and operated by Brigadier General (Res.) Gal Hirsch, to help train Georgian soldiers for battle, but returned disappointed in the manner in which the company handles secret army material.

Hirsch's company was responsible for training an elite search and rescue unit, and training was handled by the companies of two other reserve officers, all of which hired ex-soldiers like Tomer. This resulted in hundreds of former IDF soldiers working as trainers in Georgia over the past few months.

Tomer said he and his friends had at first received guidelines for the handling of covert material, listing what they could and couldn't tell Georgian soldiers about IDF activities. But in actuality, he said, the Georgians were told top secret information.

"When I arrived in the operations room I saw a book of IDF safety instructions that shouldn't have been there," he said. "There were IDF CDs that explicitly said, 'Confidential' documenting army activities, charts from special units' operations, and officers' names." He added that the room was not guarded, making this information easily obtainable to everyone.

Tomer said the main reason for the infidelity was mercenary. "The training companies wanted to finish the projects as quickly as possible in order to create more projects and make more money," he said. "We knew the training had to be completed quickly because the soldiers would soon have to get into real military activity."

He added that the Georgian officers told their soldiers they would be going to help NATO forces in Iraq, while the real objective was Ossetia and Abkhazia."

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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 04:41 PM
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15. I predict someone will try to shut this guy up.
He says a lot of really "inconvenient" stuff.
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