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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 10:53 AM
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Did you know that nearly 50% of the population of Gaza are under 14 years old?
Edited on Mon Jan-05-09 10:54 AM by Turborama
I didn't and was very surpised to this find out today.

The actual figue is:

0 to 14 years: 48.1%

http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Demographics-of-the-Palestinian-territories">Nation Master - Demographics of the Palestinian territories


Gaza… surviving inside the tiny box

THE GAZA STRIP sits inside a tiny box some 25 miles long and, for the most part, less than five miles wide. At its widest it is well under eight miles wide.

It is bounded to the west by the Mediterranean’s most miserable beaches. To the south-west is a seven-mile border with Egypt’s Sinai desert. To the east and north it is bounded by barbed wire, concrete, corrugated iron and a 32-mile long border with Israel.

Inside this box live more than 1.4 million people, probably the sixth most densely populated area in the world. Certainly it is the most densely populated area to be surrounded on three sides by barbed wire. Most are descended from refugees from the 1948 Arab-Israeli war. Almost half the population is 14 or under.

Getting in and out of Gaza is entirely governed by the whims of those who live on the other side of the barbed wire.

This is how it has been for most of the time since 1967 — more than 40 years.

The demographics are deeply depressing, and the numbers are incomprehensible: Just under half the population is unemployed, alarmingly the highest unemployment rate in the world.

More than one in six children below the age of five suffer from malnutrition. More than half women of child-bearing age are anaemic. With at least eight giant refugee camps decades old more than one-in-five are not directly connected to services such as water and sewerage.

It’s hard to imagine. Imagine.

Imagine Gaza was super-imposed on top of New York City. The yellow boxes on the maps to the left show the relative sizes of Gaza and NYC (click on the pictures to see larger versions in new windows).

Gaza easily fits in beneath Yonkers to the north, Long Beach to the east and south and Staten Island and Elizabeth to the west.

As I write this some 400 people — including well over two dozen legally-elected public officials — have been bombed to death inside this box. That’s in the past four days. The tragedies of the past 50 years cannot be counted.

Imagine jets repeatedly bombing New York City in the the yellow rectangle to the left.

If you don’t live in New York City… imagine getting in your car (you’re already on an up, no car in Gaza). Drive two miles to the beach. It’s not a beach for sun-bathing or swimming. Gaza fishing boats were machine-gunned off this beach a month ago. Turn round, drive back home and two miles further… to the barbed wire.

Now drive north-east 12 miles. You can’t go any further, even if you want to. Turn round, and take a long leisurely ride for less than half-an-hour to the Egyptian border. You’ve seen Gaza. If you live here, that’s it. This is your world.

If you make stuff or grow things that need to be exported, you’re entirely dependent on those who live outside of the yellow box. If you need stuff from outside the yellow box, you’re entirely dependent on those who live outside the yellow box.

There’s one gate to the north, five to the east and one to the south.

Imagine one road into New York City from Yonkers, five from the east, one from Staten Island and nothing from Jersey City, Newark or Inglewood from the west. And it is the people of Yonkers, Long Beach and Staten Island who decide whether or not the gates are open or not.

All other roads are blocked by concrete and barbed wire. And it’s been like this for 40+ years. Population density is like that of Gaza.

Imagine.

Imagine You’re mother or child is ill… you’re inside the yellow box.

Imagine. Your child wants an education, a future, has ambition… you’re inside the yellow box.

Imagine. Your relatives and family live a bare 40 miles away in the occupied West Bank… you live inside the yellow box.

But the people who live outside the yellow box have the right to come inside your yellow box and kill your elected officials, bulldoze your homes, shoot your young people. Imagine.

And the people outside of the yellow box tell everyone else that it’s all your fault, you people who live inside the closed yellow box.

What would you do? Imagine.

As Kafka said, “war is a monumental failure of imagination”.

http://hippasus.wordpress.com/2009/01/03/gaza-surviving-inside-the-tiny-box/



Edit: to correct typo
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Idealism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 11:05 AM
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1. According to a Doctors account I read a week back
53% of the 1.5 million were 16 and under.
Of those 16 and under, 50-75% are malnourished.
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 11:07 AM
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2. That's good for Hamas
More young minds to brainwash and turn into suicide bombers. More children to use as shields. More propaganda potential when they get killed by Israel.

For everybody else, it's a tragedy.
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wellst0nev0ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 11:15 AM
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3. Why Do Only Israelis And Their Defenders See The Kids As Shields
figuratively and actually?
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 11:44 AM
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4. Because we're the only ones looking at what the ARABS are doing?
Or, knowing you have many young children in a small area, do you think it shows humanity and good governance to use that space for sending missiles against people with tanks and guns? Who, and this will shock you, also have children.

Many cultures prefer war and starvation over contraception as a method of population control. Just because we don't, doesn't mean that their cultures are wrong, does it?
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wellst0nev0ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 12:05 PM
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5. Population Control, Huh?
Getting a little Malthusian in here, isn't it? But you do have a point, why do people fight those who will fight back, especially those that pose an existential threat? Don't they care about their children at all?
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 01:19 PM
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14. well you know how it is
dem der darkies just has too many babies sos they can git more in der aid checks:sarcasm:
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wellst0nev0ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 02:42 PM
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26. You know it.
got-dang rabbit-assed brown folks have to breed and cause all these problems :sarcasm:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 03:26 PM
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27. No, that's wrong. You are certainly not the only ones that have condemned
rocket attacks on southern Israel.

And your comment about Arab culture is basically a racial slur.
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GoesTo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 12:11 PM
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6. Indicates that Israel is NOT targeting civilians
If more than 50% of the population is under 16, and about 10% of casualties are to those under 16, it means Israel is not firing selectively at them or firing at random, but instead is trying to avoid civilians as it goes after Hamas.

The math is kind of complicated, but children in Gaza are much safer than Hamas militants:

Out of about 15,000 Hamas militants, 400 dead (= 1/35 or so). out of 750,000 children, about 50 dead (= 1/15000) - and 11 of those are Rayyin's children. Even 1/15000 is tragic, but really, the fact that a Hamas member is almost 1000 times more at risk than a child, even when Hamas fires from civilian locations etc., is a testament to the efforts Israel is taking to avoid civilian casualties.





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Idealism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 12:37 PM
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7. Out of the 2200 wounded
500 are women and children. Kind of hurts your theory that "Israel is avoiding civilian harm"
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GoesTo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 12:43 PM
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8. The math works the same way.
Out of 2200 wounded, if 500 are women and children, then let's say 250 are women, 250 are children. The math is exactly the same. Even though Gaza has a large number of children, they are much less likely to be harmed than the real targets. Again, 250 children wounded is tragic, but the fact that the number isn't higher is actually evidence that Israel is trying to avoid harm to civilians. Of course, Israel the fact that Israel is undertaking this action at all means that it is choosing a course of action that will inevitably lead to some civilian harm. It's reasonable to argue against that decision, but it's not reasonable to look at the casualty figures and conclude from them that Israel's purpose here was to harm civilians.

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Idealism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 12:49 PM
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9. Important to note that not all men are Hamas militants
So women and children categories aren't the whole of civilians killed/injured, which is something your calculations seem to miss.

The point is moot, however, as this is just needless bloodshed to secure a Likud victory in the election. They haven't carpet bombed the entire Strip, so I guess we can say they have used restraint, but to say that civilians are safe is disingenuous. If the famine doesn't get them, perhaps the dead of winter with no electricity will. If not, there is always the random bombing/shelling. Sad situation. I don't think anyone thinks Israel's purpose was to harm civilians, but they brush those deaths off as needed which I think is ludicrous.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 12:56 PM
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10. You can't drop two thousand pound bombs in one of the most densely populated
plots of land on the planet AND claim your purpose is not to harm civilians.
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Idealism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 01:15 PM
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13. I doubt we will find anyone admitting to wanting harm to come to civilians
It does seem that Israel has an acceptable standard of civilian casualties in mind for this incident, though
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 01:30 PM
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16. Allowing these jackasses to justify killing civilians is how we got to here
isn't it?

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Idealism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 01:47 PM
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18. Of course, it is despicable
I am not advocating allowing anyone to justify the killings on either side. I don't have any new offers for some type of resolution to the situation however. The biggest hindrance to the peace process is definitely Israel and the military-industrial complex than runs that country (and ours) won't let go without a fight.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 02:10 PM
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23. Agreed. Those Hamas rockets are worth more to the Iraeli right wing politicians
than they are to Hamas.
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methinks2 Donating Member (894 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 06:04 PM
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32. BINGO, most of the warmongers don't
like to admit that "collateral damage is children". (quote taken from my Iraq war protest poster)
FYI they're using some newfangled bullets on the population now. Bullets with liquid inside.

Gaza solidarity protestors attacked with new IOF bullet in Bil'in
by TD - Free Palestine Campaign Galway- Fri Jan 02, 2009 14:19
Today, as for the past four years, along with internationals and Israelis with, thankfully, consciences still alive, the villagers of Bil'in after Friday prayers marched to the nearby Annexation Wall to protest the thieving of 60% of their land by this illegal structure. Today's protest was imbued with anger and dismay at the ongoing ferocious criminal assault by the Israeli Air Force on the helpless concentration camp that is Gaza. Today was noteworthy by the use of a new bullet by the IOF against the protestors: small, light in weight, green coloured and filled with some liquid or other, it seems innocuous enough at first glance but lacerated the skin and drew blood on impact, yesterday, mourners at the funeral of Mohammad Al-Khawaja with a new tear gas projectile
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GoesTo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 12:59 PM
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11. noted.
I used the numbers for women and children because those are what we have. My guess would be that the numbers for men who aren't part of Hamas have the same pattern as the numbers for women and children. That wouldn't change the argument at all (it would mean that maybe 1/50 of Hamas members have been killed instead of 1/35). I didn't say civilians are safe - obviously they're not.

My point, which it seems you agree with, is that if you want to question Israel's actions here, you should question their calculation about how many civilian deaths it was willing to risk by undertaking this operation. But I have seen a number of posts suggesting that Israel's purpose is to harm civilians, eliminate the Palestinian population, bloodthirsty targeting of children, etc. That argument is contradicted by the casualty figures, and so such accusations are just noise that distracts from the real moral question for Israel about whether the overall operation can be justified.
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Idealism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 01:06 PM
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12. According to several medical aid workers
Nurses, doctors, etc who have made reports on the situation, there are probably hundreds more wounded and dead that they do not know about. The hospitals are so full, they often send lesser wounded people away. People stuck under rubble, missing, and things of that nature make an accurate count at this point impossible.

There is a lot of unreasonable ideas posted on this forum, but I don't think anyone can truly say with a straight face that Israel is targeting civilians to be killed. I don't think that it is debatable, however, that Israel has been oppressing all Palestinians for years. In the West Bank it is just by a less violent means certainly, but still just as wrong. I do agree with your assertion that what we should be questioning is if their actions are justified, which as a personal belief, I think war never is.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 01:35 PM
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17. It's objectively true that Israel is targeting civilians.
When you accept the killings of 11 children in order to kill their father, you are targeting civilians.

To deny that is to deny the humanity of the Palestinian civilians being killed right now. And in service of what? To defend this operation that is putting all civilians, in both Israel and Gaza, in greater danger.
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Idealism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 01:52 PM
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19. Well, from an argumentitive standpoint
The 'target' of that operation was to kill the father. The civilians were collateral damage, so you can't truly say they targeted them, but it is quite apparent that they think one of Hamas' leader's life is worth more than 11 of his family members, and that is appalling. That is blatant disregard for human life in the name of meeting an objective.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 02:04 PM
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21. But, really, the talking point is mendacity.
The physical target was the apartment, not the man sitting at a table. It doesn't even make sense on a literal level.

Sorry, I think my head is about to explode this morning from all the bs that is being pumped into our so called news media.
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High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 02:15 PM
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24. Wow, I think the Bush administration is holding a position for you.
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 01:23 PM
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15. and you have accurate numbers?
Edited on Mon Jan-05-09 01:24 PM by azurnoir
wow and here we have been lead to believe at this point no one does, just how do you do it?
What really hurts your line is this

The guiding principle of Israel's ground invasion is to move in with full force and try to minimize Israeli casualties, Israeli military correspondent Alex Fishman wrote in the daily Yediot Ahronoth. "We'll pay the international price later for the collateral damage and the anticipated civilian casualties," Fishman said."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=124&topic_id=237283&mesg_id=237283

the ProIsraeli PR machine spins on and on, but not even Israel makes your job easy
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GoesTo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 01:56 PM
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20. The ProIsraeli PR machine
just gives me my orders and I just follow them. No one said it was going to be easy.
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Idealism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 02:27 PM
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25. The irony in that sentence brings me back
Edited on Mon Jan-05-09 02:28 PM by halo experiment
I recall Adolf Eichmann standing trial in Israel on accusations of war crimes and genocide from the Holocaust. The Israeli Attorney General asked him what his response to the charges would be, Eichmann replied "I was just following my orders from the top."

It is still commonly referred to in law as the "Eichmann Defense" and I don't think it has been too successful. Look for Bush administration apparatchiks to use it next.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 02:09 PM
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22. I fully expect the breakdown of fatalities to be inverted.
Right now, the talking point is only 1 in 4 was a civilian (as if that's admirable in some way).
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 03:30 PM
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28. I do too
what is even more intersting is how one is counted as a civilian
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 03:47 PM
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29. I heard a reporter ask UN General Assembly president Miguel d'Escoto
Edited on Mon Jan-05-09 04:29 PM by sfexpat2000
if it was true that all males were being counted as militants -- a question I raised last week.

I don't think he answered. d'Escoto is a survivor of the Contra "war" in Nicaragua. He just looked too disgusted to speak.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 04:56 PM
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30. These children?
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 05:19 PM
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31. Oh well then that makes OK huh? Geez and all this time.......n/t
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 06:11 PM
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33. Their parents are lice and the children are nits...
Dincha KNOW THAT? :spank:
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ProgressiveMuslim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 08:30 PM
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35. Even IF that were true (notice all the horrid misspellings? Pretty hard to believe that is a Memri
translation...

Do those kids, who are products of 40+ years of subjugation, deserve to be slaughtered?
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ProgressiveMuslim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 06:16 PM
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34. And boy, are they pissed!!! nt
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