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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 02:30 AM Original message |
U.S. professors call for academic and cultural boycott of Israel |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 02:46 AM Response to Original message |
1. David Lloyd used to be at Cal and he was a teacher of mine. |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 03:43 AM Response to Reply #1 |
11. Hopefully it gains some steam |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 03:51 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. If someone had told me thirty years ago that I would support such a boycott |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 04:10 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. TRue of me too |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-31-09 12:20 PM Response to Reply #11 |
60. This was tried in our academic senate when Gaza first started, died for lack of interest |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 02:46 AM Response to Original message |
2. Just a crocka shit from a buncha wackos. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 02:57 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. This is the same "buncha wackos" that got Cal to divest from South Africa |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 03:29 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. False equivalence, with eliminationist intentions. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 03:30 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. LOL! No, literally true. |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 05:12 AM Response to Reply #10 |
16. What are they doing about South Africa currently? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 02:39 PM Response to Reply #16 |
25. You seem to have answered your own question. n/t |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 04:56 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. David Lloyd is involved in this effort to address violence in South Africa? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 05:22 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. Putting aside this OT question, there are essays from South African academics |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 05:32 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. You were actually the one who brought up South Africa |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 05:44 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Of course. Remember, that took years. A lot of relationships were forged |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 10:01 PM Response to Reply #10 |
30. Apartheid was driven by racist doctrine. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 11:54 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. The only good Arab is a dead Arab. --Israeli Minister of Defense Ariel Sharon, 18 February 1983 |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 01:43 AM Response to Reply #33 |
36. That's a very ugly statement from a hard-right leader. |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 02:05 AM Response to Reply #36 |
39. Sharon did not actually make that statement |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 02:49 AM Response to Reply #39 |
40. In trying to track this down, in the sewer of Sharon's life, |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 03:18 AM Response to Reply #40 |
42. In just about any nation x, you can find a prevalent saying: |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 07:35 PM Response to Reply #42 |
54. Right. It's just what all people do! |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 09:18 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. No, but I'm sure you're used to that. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-31-09 03:48 PM Response to Reply #57 |
73. Like most trained academics, I have a lot of respect for accuracy |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-31-09 11:26 PM Response to Reply #73 |
80. You just got through twisting the meaning of quote, |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 03:40 AM Response to Reply #40 |
43. I certainly agree that there are many people who hold anti-Arab prejudices in Israel and elsewhere |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 04:43 AM Response to Reply #43 |
44. They do love their false quotes. |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 08:28 AM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Sharon also did a brave thing |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 07:38 PM Response to Reply #45 |
55. Oh, yeah, the war criminal was really brave -- to pull out of Gaza |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 07:42 PM Response to Reply #43 |
56. You don't know why this is attributed to Sharon? |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-31-09 12:27 AM Response to Reply #56 |
58. Because people lie to try to advance their agenda? |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 10:36 AM Response to Reply #40 |
47. really? |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 02:58 AM Response to Reply #39 |
41. Thanks much, I should've known. |
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grassfed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-31-09 12:53 PM Response to Reply #36 |
63. ben gurion: |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-31-09 04:33 PM Response to Reply #63 |
76. Where do you get these fake quotes from? |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-02-09 04:04 AM Response to Reply #63 |
96. Of course the list is endless... |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 02:02 AM Response to Reply #33 |
38. This is a fake quote |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 11:57 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. Avigdor Lieberman and his Yisrael Beitenu are racists and fascists |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 01:45 AM Response to Reply #34 |
37. The settlers are dead-enders. I believe most Israelis would like to see |
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Sezu (920 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-31-09 01:02 AM Response to Reply #30 |
59. Ah the "firecracker," defense. |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 11:45 PM Response to Reply #8 |
32. Apartheid is apartheid, and no less an authority than Desmond Tutu called Israel an apartheid state |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 10:28 AM Response to Reply #32 |
46. Nelson Mandela called Israel an apartheid state? |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 10:45 AM Response to Reply #46 |
48. Might be WInnie. Might be the fake letter to Tom Friedman. nt |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 11:18 AM Response to Reply #48 |
50. WInnie? |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 11:26 AM Response to Reply #50 |
51. Winnie Mandela made the Apartheid comparison, I think. nt |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 11:28 AM Response to Reply #50 |
52. The fake letters can be funny, they never sound right. |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 11:38 AM Response to Reply #52 |
53. I'm more of a fan of the fake quotes, myself. |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-31-09 11:22 PM Response to Reply #50 |
79. How 'bout Carter's fake book? |
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grassfed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-31-09 01:01 PM Response to Reply #46 |
64. it's true, Ghandi and Desmond Tutu have made similar comments |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-31-09 01:31 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. It's not true |
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grassfed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-31-09 02:07 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. Mandela Memo on Palestine |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-31-09 03:00 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. This "memo" was not written by Nelson Mandela, it was written by a founder of Electronic Intifada |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-31-09 12:21 PM Response to Reply #32 |
61. Does not it matter who said it. Its factually incorrect |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 12:05 AM Response to Reply #8 |
35. So you consider that South Africa was eliminated? -nt- |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 02:52 AM Response to Original message |
3. This is wonderful . . . and understand they're not doing this while Bush was still |
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Hardrada (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 03:08 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. I agree. And it is a matter of conscience. |
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GoesTo11 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 10:14 AM Response to Reply #3 |
20. Handy guide |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 11:18 AM Response to Reply #3 |
22. Oh, so those educators, university professors, and usual liberals |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 10:09 PM Response to Reply #3 |
31. what's wonderful about boycotting all Israelis |
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Dick Dastardly (741 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-31-09 11:47 PM Response to Reply #31 |
81. Collective punishment is OK as long as the target is Israel n/t |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 03:10 AM Response to Original message |
6. Have they complained about Hamas' "collaborator" roundups? |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 03:30 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Don't be silly...that's just not done in polite circles. |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 03:47 AM Response to Reply #6 |
12. What has that got to do with the boycott? |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 05:12 AM Response to Reply #12 |
17. There won't be even a hint of an academic or cultural boycott |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 02:34 PM Response to Reply #17 |
23. Here's a link to their site. |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-30-09 11:16 AM Response to Reply #23 |
49. you know what's interesting about their terms |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-02-09 03:43 AM Response to Reply #6 |
95. Being selectively outraged about the collaborator roundups is a bit ridiculous |
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Larkspur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 03:15 AM Response to Original message |
7. It's a start |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 05:13 AM Response to Reply #7 |
18. no it's not. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 02:36 PM Response to Reply #18 |
24. You have a very limited conception of what an economic boycott is. |
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GoesTo11 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 04:20 AM Response to Original message |
15. Can I just boycott whoever I want if I'm a professor? |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 09:32 AM Response to Reply #15 |
19. So can we assume you felt this way about |
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GoesTo11 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-29-09 11:01 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. OK. I've decided to boycott Arabs |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-31-09 12:23 PM Response to Reply #15 |
62. There was this prof who refused to teach men...as I recall she retired |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-31-09 01:28 PM Response to Reply #62 |
65. Do tell and where was this |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-31-09 01:37 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. Law firm forces Mary Daly's hand - feminist professor sued for disallowing male students |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-31-09 01:48 PM Response to Reply #65 |
68. 10 years ago. Mary Daly at Boston College. Was quite controversial in academic circles |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-31-09 03:13 PM Response to Reply #68 |
72. She was also a "radical feminist" |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-31-09 04:18 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. No, she was an out and out bigot covering her hate as radical feminism |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-31-09 10:34 PM Response to Reply #74 |
78. . Well it is apparent someone has "issues" |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-01-09 12:05 AM Response to Reply #78 |
82. Please read #68 for content |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-01-09 12:38 AM Response to Reply #82 |
83. First off refusing to teach coed classes |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-01-09 01:17 PM Response to Reply #83 |
84. Separate but equal? |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-01-09 01:31 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. Try again |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-01-09 01:46 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. That would be a violation of federal law |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-01-09 02:50 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. Actually any university that accepted Federal funds |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-01-09 05:17 PM Response to Reply #87 |
89. AS I posted above her students most certainly did support her |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-01-09 05:59 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. And I posted the following paragraph which said they could not get 20 of her students to support her |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-01-09 06:31 PM Response to Reply #90 |
94. Some of her students supported her even after |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-31-09 10:29 PM Response to Reply #68 |
77. delete wrong place n/t |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-31-09 03:07 PM Response to Original message |
71. The tide has turned. Sooner or later, the nation of Israel will be forced to change its policies. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-31-09 04:20 PM Response to Reply #71 |
75. This was tried after Lebanon too. We all see how effective that was |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-01-09 04:54 PM Response to Reply #75 |
88. Actually, the killing in Lebanon got people like me to pay attention. |
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ensho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-01-09 06:29 PM Response to Original message |
91. For first time, U.S. professors call for academic and cultural boycott of Israel |
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peacetalksforall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-01-09 06:29 PM Response to Reply #91 |
92. Well, let's see how many of 'the usual anti-Israel suspects' sign up. |
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