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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 03:29 PM
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TIME: Does Israel Mistreat Palestinian Child Prisoners?
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"Walid Abu Obeida, a 13-year-old Palestinian farm boy from the West Bank village of Ya'abad, had never spoken to an Israeli until he rounded a corner at dusk carrying his shopping bags and found two Israeli soldiers waiting with their rifles aimed at him. "They accused me of throwing stones at them," recounts Walid, a skinny kid with dark eyes. "Then one of them smacked me in the face, and my nose started bleeding."

According to Walid, the two soldiers blindfolded and handcuffed him, dragged him to a jeep and drove away. All that his family would know about their missing son was that his shopping bags with meat and rice for that evening's dinner were found in the dusty road near an olive grove. Over the course of several days in April last year, the boy says he was moved from an army camp to a prison, where he was crammed into a cell with five other children, cursed at and humiliated by the guards and beaten by his interrogator until he confessed to stone-throwing.

Walid says he saw his parents for only five seconds when he was brought before an Israeli military court and accused by the uniformed prosecutor not only of throwing stones but of "striking an Israeli officer." The military judge ignored the latter charge and chose to prosecute Walid only for allegedly heaving a stone at soldiers.

The boy got off lightly: he spent 28 days in prison and was fined 500 shekels (approximately $120). Under Israeli military law, which prevails in the Palestinian territories, the crime of throwing a stone at an Israeli solider or even at the monolithic 20-ft.-high "security barrier" enclosing much of the West Bank can carry a maximum 20-year-prison sentence. Since 2000, according to the Palestinian Ministry for Prisoner Affairs, more than 6,500 children have been arrested, mostly for hurling rocks.

Walid's story is hardly unusual, judging from a report on the Israeli military-justice system in the West Bank compiled by the Palestine office of the Geneva-based Defense for Children International, which works closely with the U.N. and European states. Human-rights groups in Israel and elsewhere have also condemned the punishment meted out to Palestinian children by Israeli military justice. Most onerous, says Sarit Michaeli of the Israeli human-rights group B'Tselem, is that inside the territories, the Israeli military deems any Palestinian who is 16 years and older as an adult, while inside Israel, the U.S. and most other countries, adulthood is reached at age 18."

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safeinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 04:01 PM
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1. Most likely no crime for
throwing a stone at a Palestinian child or farmer by a settler.
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 10:13 PM
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2. Sickening to read that, but is anyone else surprised that this is being
covered by Time? I am, but in a good way. Thanks for the post Scurrilous.
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Alamuti Lotus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 12:23 AM
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3. that's the real story there, I'd say
the story itself is nothing new to anyone who has not been using the New York Times as a primary source of information; the source is interesting..
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 09:28 AM
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4. Ok, that is what I thought too, and let's hope the trend continues on the
reporting.
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shira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 02:38 PM
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5. In desperation, Palestinians seek prison in Israel
Edited on Tue Jun-30-09 02:52 PM by shira
http://www.israel-palestina.info/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=133

JERUSALEM, May 11 (Reuters) - A growing number of desperate young Palestinian men are deliberately getting themselves arrested at Israeli checkpoints so that they will be sent to Israeli-run prisons, Israeli and Palestinian officials say.

The youths, mostly teenage boys, are taking the dangerous measure in part because they say it is easier to study for exams in an Israeli prison than it is at home in the West Bank. Some also want to escape family hardship and deepening poverty.

Since January, when the phenomenon was first identified, Israeli army officials say at least 80 young men have either turned up at checkpoints and asked to be arrested or else carried knives and other weapons to ensure they are detained.


see also...

PALESTINIAN TEEN PREFERS LIFE IN AN ISRAELI JAIL
http://www.natashatynes.com/newswire/2006/06/palestinian_tee.html

CHILDREN CHOOSE PRISON OVER MISERY
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article1528104.ece

great propaganda piece reporting by TIME magazine.

it's not like the above information is helpful, or like, turns this story around 180 degrees.

they must be desperate for any dirt they can find...they figure useful idiots and haters will buy it.

:eyes:


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Alamuti Lotus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 08:35 PM
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6. how many wheelbarrows do you need to carry those giant balls around?
Edited on Tue Jun-30-09 08:46 PM by Alamuti Lotus
and yes I realize you're a woman, and that's a fairly crass statement to begin with, but really.... re-read your post. You speak about "propaganda", then turn around and lead with a marvelous example:

JERUSALEM, May 11 (Reuters) - A growing number of desperate young Palestinian men are deliberately getting themselves arrested at Israeli checkpoints so that they will be sent to Israeli-run prisons, Israeli and Palestinian officials say.


:argh: :rofl:
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shira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 08:42 PM
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7. so what's your point? that Reuters is publishing propaganda?
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Alamuti Lotus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 08:44 PM
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8. well, on a regular basis, yes..
Edited on Tue Jun-30-09 08:45 PM by Alamuti Lotus
However, that comment was more directed at the one who felt it worthy of republishing (without any sense of irony) for debate.
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shira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 08:52 PM
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9. so TimesOnline and Globe-Mail are also publishing propaganda?
Edited on Tue Jun-30-09 08:54 PM by shira
3 different articles, 3 different authors, written at 3 different times - and you call bullshit....why? You realize there is Palestinian confirmation in these articles? It's not just coming from the MFA.
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Alamuti Lotus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 08:54 PM
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10. Once again: on a regular basis, yes..
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shira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 08:57 PM
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11. when you have evidence that it's propaganda, do let us know okay?
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Sezu Donating Member (920 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 06:30 PM
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13. Any thing they don't agree with is
propaganda. It's an occupational hazard.
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 08:48 PM
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14. You need to put the mirror down coz yr describing yrself there n/t
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 11:22 AM
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12. BBC: Israeli troops 'ill-treat kids'
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A former Israeli military commander has told the BBC that Palestinian youngsters are routinely ill-treated by Israeli soldiers while in custody, reports the BBC' s Katya Adler from Jerusalem and the West Bank.

"You take the kid, you blindfold him, you handcuff him, he's really shaking... Sometimes you cuff his legs too. Sometimes it cuts off the circulation.

"He doesn't understand a word of what's going on around him. He doesn't know what you're going to do with him. He just knows we are soldiers with guns. That we kill people. Maybe they think we're going to kill him.

"A lot of the time they're peeing their pants, just sit there peeing their pants, crying. But usually they're very quiet."

Eran Efrati is a former commander in Israel's army. He served in the occupied West Bank.

In a discreet park in Jerusalem we meet to discuss allegations that soldiers like him often mistreat Palestinian minors, suspected of throwing stones.

Mr Efrati - who left the army five months ago - says the allegations are true:

"I never arrested anyone younger than nine or 10, but 14, 13, 11 for me, they're still kids. But they're arrested like adults.

"Every soldier who was in the Occupied Territories can tell you the same story. The first months after I left the army I dreamed about kids all the time. Jewish kids. Arab kids. Screaming.

"Maybe (the kid is) blindfolded for him not to see the base and how we're working... But I believe maybe we put the blindfold because we don't want to see his eyes. You don't want him to look at us - you know, beg us to stop, or cry in front of us. It's a lot easier if we don't see his eyes.

"When the kid is sitting there in the base, I didn't do it, but nobody is thinking of him as a kid, you know - if there is someone blindfolded and handcuffed, he's probably done something really bad. It's OK to slap him, it's OK to spit on him, it's OK to kick him sometimes. It doesn't really matter."

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