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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 07:27 AM Original message |
The self-righteous left's simplistic world |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 07:36 AM Response to Original message |
1. Most PEOPLE, on the left or the right... |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 08:35 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. True enough. |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 08:04 AM Response to Original message |
2. There are no absolutes, "Left," "Right," or "Middle." nt |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 08:34 AM Response to Original message |
3. I agree that there is a lot of over-simplistic thinking about the world and about Israel, but not |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 10:04 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Remember the 1980s? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 10:23 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. you're forgetting just one tiny little thing with your comparison to S.Africa |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 05:23 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. So you're saying that South Africa was indeed that simple? |
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FarrenH (485 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-30-09 03:50 PM Response to Reply #7 |
19. The occupation of the West Bank is functionally indistinguishable from Apartheid |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-30-09 06:40 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. how disingenuous can you possibly be? remember our conversation earlier - when you disappeared? |
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FarrenH (485 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 09:25 AM Response to Reply #20 |
27. Where I "disappeared"? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 05:28 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. yeah, you didn't respond to this.... |
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FarrenH (485 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 11:38 PM Response to Reply #32 |
38. k I'll respond to it now. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-01-09 05:31 AM Response to Reply #38 |
41. thanks for trying |
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FarrenH (485 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-01-09 03:08 PM Response to Reply #41 |
48. Putting words in my mouth |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-02-09 06:11 AM Response to Reply #48 |
49. probably a waste of time, but... |
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Lakrosse (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-03-09 05:32 PM Response to Reply #19 |
52. actually it is distinguishable |
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FarrenH (485 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-30-09 03:46 PM Response to Reply #5 |
18. Bravo! |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 12:44 AM Response to Reply #18 |
23. Deja vu is right... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 05:40 AM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Deleted message |
FarrenH (485 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 09:28 AM Response to Reply #26 |
28. If you ignore facts and cling to cognitive dissonance |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 05:21 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. okay, let's play this one your way - occupation ends tomorrow, all hell breaks loose as Hamas |
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FarrenH (485 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 08:26 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Oh please the Hamas bogeyman doesn't vindicate Apartheid |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 10:11 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. wow - where to start? |
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FarrenH (485 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 10:55 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. Here |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-01-09 04:53 AM Response to Reply #37 |
40. you want human rights addressed by destroying more human rights and many more human lives |
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FarrenH (485 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-01-09 07:07 AM Response to Reply #40 |
46. Your entire argument is one big counterfactual |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-02-09 06:15 AM Response to Reply #46 |
50. my argument is based on recent history, without any exceptions to the rule |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 08:18 PM Response to Reply #26 |
33. As do you... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 10:27 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. sigh |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-01-09 01:55 AM Response to Reply #36 |
39. Ah-hah! now we're getting somewhere... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-01-09 06:02 AM Response to Reply #39 |
42. i doubt it |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-01-09 07:24 AM Response to Reply #42 |
47. Its looking like it... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-02-09 06:22 AM Response to Reply #47 |
51. it's looking like a waste of time, but... |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-03-09 09:15 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. Probably, but it amuses me... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-03-09 09:28 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. i'm glad you find it amusing |
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Dick Dastardly (741 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-03-09 10:32 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. You have clarified that you say racism in SA had to end but the same cannot be said for Israel, |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-04-09 07:35 AM Response to Reply #56 |
57. whew - at least someone understands me! |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 10:13 AM Response to Reply #3 |
6. this isn't political - it's not about Likud - the demonization persists even with Israel's leftwing |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-29-09 01:27 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Right about some points, wrong about most. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-29-09 04:56 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. to take on the first point before moving on |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-29-09 05:06 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. onto your second point - whether Palestinian human rights matter (if Jews aren't involved) |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-01-09 06:07 AM Response to Reply #13 |
43. Donald, you there? |
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subsuelo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-29-09 01:46 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. "It's not about Israel's dealings with Palestinians" |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-29-09 04:46 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. since you disagree, pick one of the points and let's debate it |
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subsuelo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-29-09 08:28 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. No problem |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-30-09 04:46 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. start with post #12 above then.....why do you hammer all labor govts between 1948-1977? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-01-09 06:08 AM Response to Reply #15 |
44. Subsuelo, where did you go? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-30-09 05:12 AM Response to Reply #6 |
16. i forgot one - no one is really interested in the laws of war either |
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FarrenH (485 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 09:32 AM Response to Reply #6 |
29. Its not "left-wing" |
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FarrenH (485 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-30-09 03:44 PM Response to Original message |
17. As pathetic an attempt to broad-brush smear critics of Israeli Apartheid as all the others |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-30-09 10:24 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. Carlo Strenger also takes issue with Richard Dawkins views on religion |
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Alamuti Lotus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-30-09 08:47 PM Response to Original message |
21. ah yes, the demonization of the 'left' continues unabated |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 04:19 AM Response to Reply #21 |
24. it's criticism - not demonization - of the FAR fanatical left, by the left - do keep up |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 04:30 AM Response to Reply #21 |
25. Carlo Strenger is quite left-wing, and not at all uncritical about Israel |
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FarrenH (485 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-31-09 09:37 AM Response to Reply #25 |
30. In that case, I withdraw my accusation of broad-brush smearing |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-01-09 06:47 AM Response to Reply #30 |
45. Thanks - here is a link to another of Strenger's articles, which shows more where he's coming from |
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Lakrosse (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-03-09 05:33 PM Response to Original message |
53. stunningly good article! |
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