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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 05:08 PM
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Peace plans come and go. Obama may have to try a wholly new approach
Unless talks address the core, existential issues of 1948, optimism about a new Middle East effort is likely to fade fast

Jonathan Freedland
guardian.co.uk
Tuesday 25 August 2009 20.45 BST


Surely the heart should give a cheer at the hints and signals that suggest Barack Obama will stand before the world next month, either at the UN general assembly or the G20 in Pittsburgh, and launch his own bid for Middle East peace. We have told ourselves for so long that a solution is possible – that everyone knows the contours of an eventual agreement between Israelis and Palestinians – that the urge is almost overwhelming to believe it is within reach.

After all, here is a president who is internationally admired where his predecessor was reviled; a president apparently alive to the nuances and complexities of this deeply troubled region; above all a president who believes in diplomacy. Surely, if anyone was destined to play the role of Middle East peacemaker, it is Obama. What's more, the moment seems ripe. For once, large swaths of the Arab world share a common interest with Israel: Saudi Arabia and others fear Tehran more than they fear Tel Aviv, and might be prepared to bury their differences with Israel if that brings united, international action against Iran and its nuclear ambitions. Is it too much to hope that Obama is the right man and September 2009 the right time to bring peace to the Middle East?

I fear it might be. The holy land is haunted by the ghosts of men who believed they were uniquely able to succeed where others had failed. Several presidents reckoned they could make the difference – only to fail. What matters is not the special gifts Obama can boast, but the underlying landscape on which he stands. And, in the Middle East, that does not inspire hope.

So it looks encouraging, at first glance, that Israel's Binyamin Netanyahu is in London today for a long session of talks with George Mitchell, the man who brought balm to Northern Ireland and has been tasked by Obama with doing the same for Israelis and Palestinians. At his press conference alongside Gordon Brown yesterday, the Israeli prime minister made a good fist of suggesting he had narrowed the gap between himself and Obama's demand for a complete freeze on settlement building in the lands Israel gained in 1967. Of course there would have to be some building in existing settlements – settlers, explained Bibi, have children who need schools and kindergartens – but there would be no new ones. Using the language of Israel's sternest critics, he insisted: "This is very different from grabbing land ... We're not going to expropriate additional land."

Perhaps he and Mitchell will be able to construct a compromise formula out of that – agreeing, say, to a one-year building freeze with certain exceptions for "natural growth". But the Palestinians say they will not agree to any new talks unless Israel submits to a complete freeze. They may well buckle in the end, especially if Washington insists it still believes in the principle of a complete halt to settlement activity. But such an outcome will represent an inauspicious start to a new peace process. In a staring contest with Israel, Obama will be the one who blinked. He will be exposed as weak, unable to persuade a dependent ally to bend to his will. That represents a loss of face for the man who needs both sides to fear him if he is to get results.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/aug/25/israel-palestinian-obama-peace-us
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 05:19 PM
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1. hopefully the stick this time
israelis must be orange from all the carrots they have been given.
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stranger81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 05:47 PM
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2. Great piece. There cannot be any true resolution to this terrible conflict
without addressing its root cause, all the way back to the beginning. A simple acknowledgment of the legitimacy of the Palestinians' original grievances could go a long way towards changing the tenor of the situation for the better. It could even be the gesture that breaks this stalemate of violence.
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 07:08 PM
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3. Exactly. Oslo failed because the core issues weren't addressed...
While I want to see Obama succeed in brokering a peaceful and fair resolution to the conflict, I really don't hold out much hope if the core issues are going to be ignored or sidelined...
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-27-09 01:05 AM
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5. That and an apology
Edited on Thu Aug-27-09 01:06 AM by Ken Burch
It would do the Israelis NO harm to say "we had a right to create this state, and it's going to keep existing, but the people who were displaced did nothing to deserve displacement and it was wrong to compare them to the European antisemites"

"We apologize for that, and we also admit it was wrong to imply that the Paletinians had no connection to the land and had done nothing to build a life for themselves".
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Vegasaurus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-27-09 03:52 AM
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7. The Israelis could "apologize" until the cows come home
It won't make a bit of difference in the situation.

Israel can offer land, money, etc., but it doesn't change the reality.

The Palestinian leadership has always wanted Israel and Jews GONE.

They will accept nothing less, and continue to say that, although DU "progressives" don't believe them.
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-27-09 06:53 AM
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8. Why do you continually say things that are clearly not true?
Edited on Thu Aug-27-09 07:03 AM by Violet_Crumble
The PLO officially recognised Israel's right to exist back in the 90's, and Abbas definately does not want Israel or Jews gone.

What's a 'DU "progressive" anyway? And to give me some idea of where you are when it comes to what's progressive and what's not, what are yr views on issues such as gun control, reproductive rights, healthcare, unions, etc? I've never seen you post about anything other than a) how innocent and faultless Israel is, and b) nasty broadbrush comments about Arabs and/or Muslims, and to be blunt nothing of what you've said gives any indication of progressive, let alone, left-wing ideals....
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 07:29 PM
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4. Neither a "peace plan" nor a "peace process" are peace, as the evidence shows.
And both can be, and have been, covers for stalling off peace and business as usual. Delay is denial.
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-27-09 01:46 AM
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6. Netanyahu, Mitchell end meeting without settlement deal
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu ended a meeting with US Special Envoy George Mitchell on Wednesday without an agreement on illegal West Bank settlements that the US wants halted.

After their London meeting, Netanyahu and Mitchell issued a brief Joint Statement saying that they “had a very productive meeting today where the full range of issues was discussed.”

“They agreed on the importance of restarting meaningful negotiations between Israelis and Palestinians and working toward a comprehensive peace, and that all sides need to take concrete steps toward peace,” the statement continues.

“The Prime Minister and the Senator made good progress today, and an Israeli delegation will meet Senator Mitchell next week in the United States to continue the conversation,” the statement concluded.


http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=221805
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