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ForestsBeatBushes Donating Member (633 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 09:50 AM
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American Muslims Told to Leave Major U.S. Cities
An Al Qaeda (search) Web site is running a warning issued to Muslims to leave Washington D.C., New York City and Los Angeles because of implied imminent terrorist attacks, according to the Middle East Media Research Institute.

<snip>

"We are serious in our warning," the message states. "The next few days will prove to you the truth of this warning … To the oppressive rulers of America we say: Expect our terms following the first strike of Allah's believing soldiers ."

<snip>

It ends with another verse from the Quran : "Fight them: Allah will punish them at your hands, and will humiliate them, and will help you to overcome them, and will relieve the minds of the believers."

In conjunction with the memo, Al Qaeda's Al Faroq posted a photo of the Chinook helicopter shot down on Sunday with a caption in Arabic that reads: "We shall bring down and destroy the values of the Hubal of this generation." Fifteen Americans died in the helicopter attack.

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,102179,00.html

(yes, I understand Fox is R/W and Faux...but, it's about the message, not the messenger, please)
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bluesoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 09:56 AM
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1. No,
Edited on Wed Nov-05-03 10:00 AM by bluesoul
it DOES matter that this is from Faux News! Because I would consider anything from them with very high suspicion (anti-Arab agenda)

More right-wing BS coming, like those predicted attacks after 9/11 that NEVER happened. So please, if you want to be taken seriously, this doesn't help much...

I guess that as long as it is anti-Arab one can grab any source (as RW and anti-Arab as it may be)
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newyorican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 10:03 AM
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3. Frankly...
You don't have to go to RW sources to find anti-Arab bias.
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bluesoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 10:11 AM
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5. True
I know! Most of it is there though. But then reading some posts here...
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 10:01 AM
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2. Invented News?
After several fruitless independent searches, I followed Fox's own links and found this at MEMRI (Mid-East Media Research Institute).

MEMRI, for your information, is a notorious neo-con outfit.

It found the warning on a Yahoo! Groups page, Global Islamic Media. The page is in Arabic, and you have to have your browser configured properly to read it -- providing you know Arabic. (I don't.)

I smell un grand canard.

--bkl
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 10:08 AM
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4. Here's the standard four-paragraph excerpt
If you are interested in the entire article, navigate to the page on MEMRI at http://www.memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SA1203
<quote>

It opened with a Koranic verse: "All that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth glorifies Allah. He is the Mighty, the Wise. It is He who turned out the disbelievers from among the People of the Book from their homes at the time of the first banishment. You did not think that they would go forth and they thought that their fortresses would protect them against Allah. But Allah came upon them whence they did not expect and cast terror into their hearts, so that they destroyed their homes with their own hands and the hands of the believers. So take warning, O ye who posses understanding."

The following are excerpts from the communiqué: "The sufferings of your Muslim brothers and of the Mujahideen around the world is no secret to you, our brothers. oppression, tyranny, imprisonment, murder, and banishment by the masters of oppressions and lies in the world, the American rulers, who think themselves as good-doers. Allah is the witness that they write the end of America by their own hands…

"Afghanistan and Iraq are not far away. Their sons there are frustrated and defeated and they ask 'why are we here?' Yes, they are the only ones who know the bitter truth. How would they not when they see every day dozens of casualties from among their friends, the soldiers who die and nobody, even not their stupid rulers, is sorry for them. Then they hear the lies and distortion their rulers their people and the peoples of the world regarding the number of their dead and heavy losses…

"Our Muslim brothers in America, we ask you to immediately leave the following cities: Washington, DC, New York, and Los Angeles. We are serious in our warning. The next few days will prove to you the truth of this warning… To the oppressive rulers of America we say: expect our terms following the first strike of Allah’s believing soldiers"

</quote>
So, is this real, or is it part of the disinfo chain we've become so familiar with?

--bkl
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 10:27 AM
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6. It's probably not invented
Edited on Wed Nov-05-03 10:29 AM by Jack Rabbit
MEMRI has a reputation for accurately translating pieces from the Arabic and Hebrew-language press. However, they also have a reputation for bias in what they select to be translated.

I'd like to know more about this "warning". It could be genuine or bogus. Nevertheless, I'm sure it was published in Arabic somewhere.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 11:26 AM
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11. Indeed, My Friend
There does not seem much reason to doubt the statement is genuine. The Al Queda organization certainly exists, and is unremittingly hostile to the United States, and to un-believers generally. This is pretty typical of its propaganda boiler-plate, aimed at lifting the morale of its adherents and fellow travellers.

Whether it is to be taken seriously as a prediction is much more dubious. It does not seem likely to me that any real operational plan would be so disclosed in advance.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 01:00 PM
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13. At the least,
I would not expect them to be attacking any of those three
cities. There is always plenty of time to take credit afterwards,
when the value of the information as a warning is nil. The notion
that they have much concern for Muslims who might be in the way does
not stand up very well either.
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ForestsBeatBushes Donating Member (633 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 10:58 AM
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7. You don't know Arabic?
:wtf:
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bluesoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 11:06 AM
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8. Funny
You think those that disagree with you here are all Arabs and know Arabic?
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ForestsBeatBushes Donating Member (633 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 11:12 AM
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9. "Funny"
No, it was an attempt at humor...as in "Funny".
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bluesoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 11:14 AM
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10. Ah
Ok! Sorry then ;)
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ForestsBeatBushes Donating Member (633 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-03 11:28 AM
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12. Back atcha!
:toast:

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