Brzezinski: Obama Admn. Should Tell Israel U.S. Will Attack Israeli Jets if They Try to Attack Iran

Full Title: Zbig Brzezinski: Obama Administration Should Tell Israel U.S. Will Attack Israeli Jets if They Try to Attack Iran

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"The national security adviser for former President Jimmy Carter, Zbigniew Brzezinski, gave an interview to The Daily Beast in which he suggested President Obama should make it clear to Israel that if they attempt to attack Iran's nuclear weapons sites the U.S. Air Force will stop them.

"We are not exactly impotent little babies," Brzezinski said. "They have to fly over our airspace in Iraq. Are we just going to sit there and watch? ... We have to be serious about denying them that right. That means a denial where you aren’t just saying it. If they fly over, you go up and confront them. They have the choice of turning back or not. No one wishes for this but it could be a 'Liberty' in reverse."

The USS Liberty was a U.S. Navy technical research ship that the Israeli Air Force mistakenly attacked during the Six Day War in 1967.

Brzezinski endorsed then-Sen. Obama's presidential campaign in August 2007, which at the time was portrayed in the media as a boost to Obama's foreign policy cred. The Washington Post reported: "Barack Obama, combating the perception that he is too young and inexperienced to handle a dangerous world, got a boost yesterday from a paragon of foreign policy eminence, Zbigniew Brzezinski."

Brzezinski was never an official campaign adviser, but Republicans jumped on the endorsement to push the meme that Obama wouldn't be a friend to Israel, as Brzezinski's views of Israel attracted criticism from some quarters in the American Jewish community.

"Brzezinski is not an adviser to the campaign," former Ambassador Dennis Ross, then a senior adviser on Middle East affairs to the Obama campaign, said at the time. “There is a lot of disinformation that is being pushed, but he is not an adviser to the campaign. Brzezinski came out and supported Obama early because of the war in Iraq. A year or so ago they talked a couple of times. That’s the extent of it, and Sen. Obama has made it clear that on other Middle Eastern issues, Brzezinski is not who he looks to. They don’t have the same views.”

Brzezinski plays no role in the Obama administration; the White House did not immediately respond to a request for comment."

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in the event Israel were to bomb Iran, an act that would certainly mobilize all the Shia against US troops.

You're more like his prototype, Father Coughlin.

Regarding Irag, our presence there serves no useful purpose. Direct your concerns to the president; even better to the appointed back of filth who preceded him.

A view shared by most people on this board, whether pro-Israel or otherwise.

And you haven't a clue what people could be concerned about. I know people in both Israel AND Iran whom I want to be safe. Needless to say, I don't want anybody to be bombing anybody. Do you know people in either country? - you seem to be thinking of it *only* from the point of view of America.

nt

to help Carter.

Where was brzezinski when we were warned to close our embasay in Iran, when the shah of Iran was let in for treatment

He screwed up during the Carter administration, and as far as I am concerned he is out of touch

which subsequently gave us 9-11 and the current quagmire in Afghanistan.

appears to be trying to do.

From removing the star war defense from eastern Europe, engaging Iran in talks, and pushing Israel and the Palestinians to get serious about peace

I don't see the value in banging war drums

The monster we are fighting there is of our own creation.

The survivors of the USS Liberty (and others) do dispute that it was a mistake.

:P

I've never heard of this before. Damn..

I don't know who disillusions me more in this story, the Israelis or the US Government. All I know is I feel ill.

that you can watch that deal with this, just google "the sinking of the USS Liberty". there are at least two I am aware of.

revision.

I've read several books on the 1967 war, (they had sources and everything!) anyone who isn't a crazed conspiracy theorist realizes that not only did Israel have nothing to gain from attacking the liberty, but that the decisions to attack was made by low to mid level people in the IDF who were operating on bad intelligence(they had good intelligence, it just wasn't passed along the chain of command right or in many cases it fell through the cracks).

It was a horrible fuck up, but it wasn't intentional.

Also all the recorded radio chatter indicates the israelis thought they were attacking a egyption ship

"English transcripts of the tapes—recorded by U.S. warplanes—indicate that Israel still believed it had hit an Egyptian supply ship even after the attack had stopped. <8> <9> After the attack, the rescue helicopters are heard relaying several urgent requests that the rescuers ask the first survivor pulled out of the water what his nationality is, and discussing whether the survivors from the attacked ship will speak Arabic. <10>
The NSA reported that there had been no radio intercepts related to the attack made by the Liberty herself, nor there had been any radio intercepts made by the U.S. submarine Amberjack.
Within an hour of learning that the Liberty had been torpedoed the Director, NSA, LTG Marshall S. Carter, USA, sent a message to all intercept sites requesting a special search of all communications that might reflect the attack or reaction. No communications were available. However, one of the airborne platforms, a U.S. Navy EC-121, had collected voice conversations between two Israeli helicopter pilots and the control tower at Hazor Airfield following the attack on the Liberty.<11>
The NSA-translated tapes show that the helicopters were first dispatched to rescue Egyptians (control tower to helicopter 815 at 1234Z: "The ship has now been identified as an Egyptian ship"), and that they demonstrate confusion as to the identification of the target ship. (e.g. control tower to helicopter 815 at 1310Z "The first thing is for you to clarify what nationality they are. Notify me immediately.") Cristol adds: "The tapes confirm that the helicopter pilot observed the flag at 3:12 p.m." (1312Z) which would coincide with the audio tapes the Israel Air Force released to Cristol of the radio transmissions before, during and after the attack. The English translations of the Israeli Air Force tapes are published in Appendix 2 of Cristol's book The Liberty Incident.
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So unless Israel suddenly decided it would be funny to attack as America ship, it was a accident.

We were sold a whitewash. Shame on Lyndon Johnson for going along with it. And shame on the Israel Lobby for perpetuating the lie.

Before you try to say I'm doing the same thing, All I ever said that any body can post a google video video, and infact I'm sure the institute has done that.

If you want a academic view of what happened, don't go looking for stuff on Google video, try to find something with a few sources.

and all we do in this forum is sloganeering, in case you haven't noticed.

ways.

and I have some pretty good idea of what happened. How odd that the entire VII Corps was alerted for deployment to Middle East to save Israel in case the Arabs succeeded, and this is what the men and women in uniform get in return.

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This is the last thing I have to say on this topic, which really has nothing to do with OP.

IG, that right-winger is posting from your account again. Tell them to stop. Those last few posts were ultra-nationalist-American-xenophobic, not Marxist; it's fairly easy to tell the difference!

How is Jonathan Pollard doing? The Israelbots want him released.

He certainly believed that the attack was deliberate, and that the attackers were fully aware of the Liberty's nationality.

That tends to mean they aren't the best impartial judge of such things.

PB

At scene witnesses are rarely ever used to try to establish motivation for something.

But feel free to ignore that.

What a pathetic and disgusting post!

Israel will fly over Lebanon and through Syria.

Israel does not have enough planes to bomb Iran's nuclear facilities. It will take a massive air campaign lasting days to accomplish that, which is why Israel is pushing their American robots to push for a US strike on Iran.

this route is less likely to end up with their planes shot down, as the route over Lebanon & Syria (and presumably Turkey or Kurdistan from there) would very likely entail.

That Israel doesn't have the massive air force logistics to pull off a limited campaign to target only the many scattered, buried, and hidden facilities.

sides.

Recommendations of diplomacy would be much better IMO than encouraging anyone to attack anyone.

Brzezinski has a rather flawed record. He supported at least two disastrous policies of the 'enemy of my enemy' variety: the arming of the Mujahedeen against the Soviet Union - which ultimately resulted in the Taliban; and encouraging China's support for the Khmer Rouge. Especially as he is not in a position to have much inside knowledge, I would not take anything that he says very seriously

Thank goodness.

Why would anyone suggest otherwise?

Making it public policy takes the heat off Iran, which we also don't want.