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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-28-09 09:18 AM Original message |
Falk: Goldstone is historic blow in the war Israel is losing– the ‘Legitimacy War’ |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-28-09 09:28 AM Response to Original message |
1. LOL.....the same Goldstone Report which in paragraph 414, pages 126-127 accepts conflicting... |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-28-09 09:50 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. For a report that supposedly matters so little |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-28-09 10:06 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. sorry, don't mean to be nasty but you're not worth my time |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-28-09 02:56 PM Response to Reply #3 |
9. LOL but you see Goldstone was in Gaza- Kemp was not |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-28-09 03:13 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. LOL - Goldstone was in Gaza months after the fighting - and spoonfed info. from Hamas |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-28-09 05:17 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. All of your analysis of the Goldstone report leaves out one fact |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 08:07 AM Response to Reply #11 |
16. Israel refusing to cooperate w/ Goldstone doesn't excuse Goldstone from lying and covering for Hamas |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 02:14 AM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Yes there was plenty and a search of DU provided it |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 04:31 AM Response to Reply #18 |
20. and now I rest my case - hope we're done now |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 11:46 AM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Your giving it a rest I doubt it |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 01:02 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. you're missing the point entirely |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 01:17 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. You must believe yourself to be psychic |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 03:09 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. can you even remember from one post to the next what you're writing about? |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 05:47 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Lol Shira do you remember your own posts ? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 06:12 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. sheesh - that was their original story. Hamas didn't like it so they changed it. And you bought it |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 07:12 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. I would suggest you recheck your dates n/t |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 07:37 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. Israel, presumably, has a great deal of information about what was done and why. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 09:24 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. it doesn't matter what info Israel has available....Goldstone ignored lots of evidence already.... |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 09:33 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. I'm afraid I don't have your ability to predict from false hypotheticals. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 10:05 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. have you been keeping up? here are some examples... |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 10:15 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. So, you are happy with things the way they are, no need for change? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 10:17 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. can you try answering at least some of what I just asked and then I'll answer you? |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 10:21 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. I only answer question when I feel like it. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 10:26 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. I answer any and all questions - so long as the conversation is 2-way |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 10:40 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Good then: |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 12:52 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. reply |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 01:12 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. Hmm. We don't seem to have got anywhere. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 01:38 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. Operation in Gaza: Factual/Legal... was released July 29th and little of it was referenced |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 03:12 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Well, no matter, I'm sure all of these defenses will be considered when it goes before the ICC. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 05:06 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. they had from july 29 to sept 15 to go over the MFA report and decided to ignore it |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 06:18 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Do you have some evidence they were given the July 29th release? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 07:00 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. they clearly had the july 29 release |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 07:13 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. Hmmmmm ... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 08:01 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. so? does that mean Goldstone should ignore the July 29th report? |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 08:03 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. It means he did not have it. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 08:13 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. what? his report pointed to parts of it and ignored all the rest...and he had 6 weeks until Sept 15 |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 08:52 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. No, once the investigation was done, they had to write the 600 page report. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-02-09 04:49 AM Response to Reply #52 |
54. so when do you think the 600 pages will be amended to account for all the 'mistakes'? |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-02-09 08:35 AM Response to Reply #54 |
56. Never. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-03-09 05:21 AM Response to Reply #56 |
58. okay, and can you please respond to the rest of post #54? |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-03-09 08:40 AM Response to Reply #54 |
62. That link does not seem to work, at least I get a missing page message. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-03-09 08:42 AM Response to Reply #62 |
64. so it's okay that Goldstone and Co. ignored a lot of evidence and exaggerated when they had none? |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-03-09 09:15 AM Response to Reply #64 |
69. Seems like a mystery to me too. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-03-09 09:22 AM Response to Reply #69 |
72. we're not talking agreeing with opinion, but fact |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-03-09 01:53 PM Response to Reply #62 |
78. here's another link - and about your notion of impartiality |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 07:40 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. I see here that Israel now says it has a "credible" investigation going on: |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 08:02 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. win-win if both parties.....? |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 08:06 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. Hamas: Gaza authorities will investigate Goldstone's findings |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 08:14 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. so what do you make of Hamas' intentions here? |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 08:57 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. I think they intend to pursue what they see as their self-interest. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-02-09 04:50 AM Response to Reply #53 |
55. you think Hamas will stop using Palestinians as pawns/shields due to Goldstone's fact-finding? |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-02-09 08:37 AM Response to Reply #55 |
57. Only if Israel stops torture, murder, and collective punishment due to Goldstone's fact-finding. nt |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-03-09 05:23 AM Response to Reply #57 |
59. you really believe that if Israel is perfect, Hamas will behave...if so why? |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-03-09 08:20 AM Response to Reply #59 |
60. Israel will never be perfect. nt |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-03-09 08:39 AM Response to Reply #60 |
61. the question is about Hamas - do you really expect them to change for the better? and if so... |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-03-09 08:41 AM Response to Reply #61 |
63. The premise is false. nt |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-03-09 08:48 AM Response to Reply #63 |
66. goldstone believes hamas courts are credible and they can/will seriously investigate war crimes... |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-03-09 09:21 AM Response to Reply #66 |
71. That's enough for today, I have some other things to do. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-03-09 08:44 AM Response to Reply #61 |
65. I believe that the people in Gaza are pretty much like people anywhere else. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-03-09 08:53 AM Response to Reply #65 |
67. we're not talking people of Gaza, but Hamas. That's like expecting the Iranian govt to play nice... |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-03-09 09:17 AM Response to Reply #67 |
70. Hamas is a subset of the people of Gaza. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-03-09 09:24 AM Response to Reply #70 |
73. "Hamas is comprised of perfectly ordinary people too".....and it's these perfectly ordinary people |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-03-09 09:42 AM Response to Reply #73 |
74. Come come ... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-03-09 12:32 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. hamas isn't much different than the religious fundies like the Taliban or the nuts running Iran and |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-03-09 12:48 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. Sounds a bit dogmatic to me. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-03-09 01:50 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. what i mean is that expecting Hamas to change is like expecting the same from the Taliban,Iran,S.A. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-03-09 02:13 PM Response to Reply #77 |
79. Ah, OK. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-03-09 02:20 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. we see what happened recently in Iran....it's great to have hope but stupid to live in fantasy land. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-03-09 09:06 AM Response to Reply #65 |
68. expecting religious fundy fanatics like Hamas to behave better is ludicrous & I think you know that |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-03-09 02:35 PM Response to Reply #68 |
81. Well, don't you think we have chewed this over enough? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-03-09 04:51 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. almost - what do you think about posts #78 and #80? |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-03-09 05:32 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. Most of Ostroff's site appears to be missing, even when I click his links, not just yours. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-03-09 05:51 PM Response to Reply #83 |
84. those links work on my mac....don't know why they don't work for you |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-03-09 07:02 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. It's strange, sometimes they work, then next time they don't. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 05:40 AM Response to Reply #85 |
86. the point is Ostroff supplied Goldstone with facts Goldstone ignored, so Goldstone has no excuse |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 08:06 AM Response to Reply #86 |
87. Well, I can see why you like Mr Ostroff, you have similar styles of argumentation. nt |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-04-09 12:30 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. and I see why you like Goldstone - ignore/minimize that which contradicts yr preconceived notions |
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Scurrilous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-28-09 10:15 AM Response to Original message |
4. A permanent moral stain |
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damntexdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-28-09 11:14 AM Response to Original message |
5. Let's hope that it matters, but I am doubtful. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-28-09 01:25 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. it won't matter....this report is complete garbage |
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Sezu (920 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-28-09 01:43 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. As is anything a truther |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-28-09 05:28 PM Response to Reply #7 |
13. So if anyone wants another investigation of 9/11 they're a 'truther'? |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-28-09 02:22 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Goldstone Report is not comparable with Nuremberg since the IDF refused to participate. |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-28-09 05:25 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. They're both investigations of war crimes, so they are comparable... |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-28-09 05:28 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. In one sense you are right, Nuremberg set the standard, and Goldstone failed it |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-28-09 05:30 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. I don't think he failed the standard when it comes to investigation.... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 08:15 AM Response to Reply #15 |
17. he failed the standard - see post #16 |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 02:50 AM Response to Reply #17 |
19. No, I don't think he failed the standard at all. What you think isn't of much interest to me n/t |
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