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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-19-09 12:10 AM
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Israel may have planted spy gear in Lebanon: U.N.
A U.N. investigation into explosions in south Lebanon indicated on Sunday that Israel had planted spy devices on Lebanese land in what a senior U.N. official said would be a violation of a ceasefire agreement.

The UNIFIL peacekeeping force in Lebanon said its preliminary probe into two explosions in the south showed they had been caused by the detonation of underground sensor devices.

"These do look like some sort of espionage device," Michael Williams, the U.N. special coordinator for Lebanon, told Reuters.

If confirmed, the devices would represent violations of Security Council resolution 1701 which halted the 34-day war.

"Preliminary indications are that these explosions were caused by explosive charges contained in unattended underground sensors which were placed in this area by the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) apparently during the 2006 war," UNIFIL said in a statement.


http://www.reuters.com/article/newsMaps/idUSTRE59H1YT20091018
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henank Donating Member (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-19-09 01:43 AM
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1. IDF claims Hizbollah staged it
read here

IDF sources, however, responded to the Hizbullah reports by saying that the incident was staged by the Lebanese terror group in an attempt to divert attention from the explosion of a weapons cache in Tayr last week, Channel 10 reported on Sunday evening.
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-19-09 06:45 AM
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2. well of course IDF claims that "we ditn't do it"
we'll just have to wait for further developments won't we
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-19-09 07:37 AM
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3. Implemenation of UN Security Council Resolution 1701 would be a great idea
This clause, for instance, remains unimplemented:

3. Emphasises the importance of the extension of the control of the government of Lebanon over all Lebanese territory in accordance with the provisions of resolution 1559 (2004) and resolution 1680 (2006), and of the relevant provisions of the Taif Accords, for it to exercise its full sovereignty, so that there will be no weapons without the consent of the government of Lebanon and no authority other than that of the government of Lebanon;

Which refers back to this unimplemented clause from UN Security Council Resolution 1559 (from 2004):

3. Calls for the disbanding and disarmament of all Lebanese and non- Lebanese militias;



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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-19-09 09:29 AM
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5. yes it would be nice if all parties concerned
adhered to UN resolutions that would include Israel however
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-19-09 01:51 PM
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10. Israel is in compliance with all UN Security Council resolutions with respect to Lebanon
Hezbollah, on the other hand, continues to act in direct violation of those same resolutions.
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-19-09 02:02 PM
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11. So Israel has discontinued the overflights of
Southern Lebanon? Not to mention we could go for nearly a page of UN resolutions that Israel is not in compliance with.
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-19-09 05:26 PM
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14. Resolution 1701 ought to be rigorously implemented
On the count of three, Hezbollah disbands as a militia and Israel stops all overflights. What do you say?
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-19-09 08:59 AM
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4. After the massive penetration of Hamas, Hezbollah paranoia has been working overtime
Its been a world class psyops win for the IDF, regardless if there is another battle or not.
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-19-09 09:30 AM
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6. Do you just say anything ?
Edited on Mon Oct-19-09 09:32 AM by azurnoir
massive penetration of Hamas when?

The only psyops here is own attempt at it
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-19-09 02:33 PM
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12. Where were you during the first few days of OCL?
It was clear that the IDF had detailed information about the locations of Hamas personnel and material, some of it real time, as they were targeted with air strikes. That lesson was not lost on Hezbollah. Subsequently Hezbollah invested heavily in new sites, technology, and even a few purges. The additional expense for them was staggering. An already paranoid organization was taken to new heights, and destructive ones at that. That is a major psyops win for Israel, who may or may not being actually doing anything.

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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-19-09 03:36 PM
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13. Oh you mean because IDF bombed a mosque and then said
oh there were weapons stored there, yeah that's the ticket.......
wow perhaps in your imagination Professor but what Israel did in Gaza during the first few days of OCL and in the days there after required little "intelligence" of any type
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-19-09 08:06 PM
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16. You must not have been paying attention
Multiple levels of the Hamas infrastructure was taken out very early on. It included people, comms, and facilities. Much of their material was destroyed or buried. That takes knowledge, AKA intelligence. The IDF had much more information than Hamas realized. Clearly they had been deeply penetrated. None of the prepared site was safe, and most of them no longer existed. Its one of the more significant parts of OCL from a military perspective.
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-19-09 11:06 PM
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17. yes that is the standard line
Edited on Mon Oct-19-09 11:13 PM by azurnoir
alot was taken out of a 4 by 25 mile strip that was under constant surveillance

so your impressed by the flattening of the area of Rafah known be riddled with tunnels? Hmmm doesn't
take much for you does it?

again your just making grandiose claims that mime IDF publc releases and BTW I was paying attention to OCL
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-19-09 09:45 AM
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7. time for sanctions on israel
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Sezu Donating Member (920 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-19-09 12:09 PM
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8. WTF about the actual explosives cache itself???
The UN is useless for anything other than dissing Israel.
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-19-09 01:33 PM
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9. Perhaps you need to read more slowly
or were you hoping no one else read the article?
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BunkerHill24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-19-09 07:25 PM
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15. UN is useless not implementing over dozen resolutions against Isreal..n/t
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