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ForestsBeatBushes Donating Member (633 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 08:21 AM
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Israel Grabs Mass-Slay Terror Chief
November 8, 2003 -- JERUSALEM - Israeli troops yesterday captured the notorious mastermind of last month's Haifa restaurant bombing and other attacks that killed more than 40 people, authorities said.

Amjad Abeidi was tracked down to a neighborhood in the West Bank town of Jenin by soldiers who began a house-to-house search.

They discovered a weapons cache under one house and when they destroyed it with a grenade, Abeidi emerged from hiding, slightly wounded.

Witnesses said that as the troops left Jenin, Palestinian militants fired on them.

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http://www.nypost.com/news/worldnews/42415.htm
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rini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 08:34 AM
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1. I am waiting for the headline
Israelis destroy another house, no explanation, no mention that a terrorist was using it. Damn Israelis, what gives them the idea they have the right of self-defense?
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ForestsBeatBushes Donating Member (633 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 08:39 AM
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4. No need to wait, I'm sure.
People actually use Al Jazeera here...your headline will appear soon enough!
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Aidoneus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 01:42 PM
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21. since you bring it up
al-J's piece on recent events (that refers to this in the 3rd paragraph of the 3rd section):--

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/D6B2CAF4-39E5-473A-B7FD-D537B8FC38CB.htm

It was not the only house demolished.
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RuB Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 08:34 AM
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2. Good for Israel.
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ForestsBeatBushes Donating Member (633 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 08:38 AM
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3. Thanks and glory be to you both;
now, we'll leave it to the late-waking others to nitpick or dismiss the article to death.

There's always the questionable source diversion of course, since I'm certain you both realize, I ALWAYS use the Jerusalem Post.

What's that you say? This isn't the Jerusalem Post? No matter, it's a something-Post...that's good enough!
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Proudlib Donating Member (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 10:28 AM
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5. This Is Where
Those who always give the terrorists the benefit of the doubt will voice their outrage over the destruction of the house and equate that act with the bombing of the resteraunt to illustrate how "both sides" are guilty of the same kind of terrorism.

That's if they don't dismiss the article as right-wing anti-Palestinian propaganda first.
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bluesoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 10:31 AM
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6. Killing
a Palestinian civilian equals to the killing of an Israeli civilian. Or do you disagree Proudlib?
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Proudlib Donating Member (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 10:39 AM
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7. Not The Topic
Once again you're trying to change the topic away from the point of the discussion and I'm not playing that game. If that's what you want to discuss, start a new thread rather than try to hijack this one.
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bluesoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 10:41 AM
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8. So
you refuse to answer a simple question? I may know why...
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Proudlib Donating Member (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 10:46 AM
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9. It's Not Relevent To The Thread
Edited on Sat Nov-08-03 10:47 AM by Proudlib
I've already allowed one diversionary post, I'm not going to allow another. Unless your next response has to do with the topic of the lead post, don't hold your breath waiting for me to answer.
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forgethell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 10:51 AM
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10. I t depends
on whether the civilian was targeted or "collateral". Accidents do happen, in war as elsewhere.
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Lurking Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 11:02 AM
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11. You've set up something of a
false premise.

There seems to be no ability to discern between tragedy (as in the death of a civilian - ANY civilian) and murderous terrorism.

No one here is saying that the death of Palestinian civilians is not tragic. It is terribly tragic. But it is not murderous terrorism any more than the death of an Israeli caught in crossfire between soldiers and irregulars.

It is terribly tragic when someone dies in a housefire. But all it is is a horrible tragedy unless an arsonist set the house on fire. Then it is murder. The color of the person who died in the fire is not even remotely relevant to those facts.
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bluesoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 11:03 AM
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12. And
you want me to believe that all Palestinian civilians killed are "collateral damage" and that none of them are intentionally killed?
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Lurking Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 11:15 AM
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15. Heavens no.
Why do you presume to know what I think?
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 11:06 AM
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13. Not neccesarily...
Edited on Sat Nov-08-03 11:06 AM by Darranar
If a general orders a raid, knowing that there will be heavy civilian causalties and heavy civilian suffering, and this raid won't really accomplish anything in the long run (like quite a few of the Israeli incursions) then the launching of it is indeed a form of murder.

Bush and Cheney did not order their troops to shoot civilians; however, that many civilians would die is a logical consequence of a war. Hence, a useless war (like that one) that killed innocent people could be viewed as murder of those innocent people by those who commmanded it.
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tinnypriv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 11:06 AM
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14. A welcome operation
Especially considering the severity of the Maxim terrorist attack.

However, this could just be a re-run of Mahmoud Tawalbeh (killed in Jenin last year), or Bassam Sa'adi ("leader in Jenin", captured last month).

The high recycle rate suggests extremely quick recruitement and rotation on behalf of the militants, which brings into question the long-term effectiveness of operations such as this (doesn't mean they're not necessary in the immediate term of course).

The IDF should quote Tarantino: "let's not start sucking our own dicks just yet".
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 11:38 AM
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16. I always wonder if these guys have biographers that
follow them around and keep a record of their activities
so that if can be given the Shin Bet when they need it.

They do seen to have run out of "top Hamas leaders" lately,
although the top level Hamas loudmouths still seem to allow
themselves to vent now and then.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 11:52 AM
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17. He's the Hamas leader du jour...
...Hamas is all Chief, no Indians.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 11:53 AM
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18. I don't believe this particular Doink is a Hamas guy.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 12:06 PM
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19. True,,,
..Rupert's Rag really doesn't specify which group he belongs to. They do mention that someone from Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade was killed nearby.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 12:43 PM
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20. Yes, I was mostly relying on the recollection that
the Haifa bombing was not a Hamas operation. But sometimes
I think the assignment of these things to various terrorist
pigeonholes is done more to give the illusion that the speakers
know what is going on than because it reflects how things
actually occur.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 03:49 PM
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23. For What It Is Worth, Sir
The article does not specify Hamas, but only claims this fellow recruited the young woman who immolated herself in killing so many others.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 03:59 PM
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24. I know Sir.
Hamas came up in a secondary way; I believe I commented
above that none of their "top leaders" have been caught
lately, nor have they done much in the way of attacks.
The topic then seemed to run farther than I intended.

I don't recall that anyone was anxious to take "credit" for
that attack, although it is in my mind that some obscure
group did, but I can't say I trust my recollection.
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 04:10 PM
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25. Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility...
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/WO0310/S00037.htm
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 04:11 PM
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26. That sounds right, thanks.
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newyorican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 02:26 PM
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22. Another week...
another mastermind... :shrug:
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