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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 11:06 AM Original message |
Israel Deputy UN Ambassador Defends Deadly Attack on Gaza Aid Ships Citing "Danger" of Flotilla |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 11:44 AM Response to Original message |
1. Relevant maritime law is. . . |
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LakeSamish706 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 11:47 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. "breaching a blockade" But the blockade is illegal in accordance with the UN. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 11:48 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. That's right. This red herring is irrational at every step. n/t |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 11:48 AM Response to Reply #1 |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 12:00 PM Response to Reply #3 |
11. Make all the personal attacks you like. But that is the law. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 12:24 PM Response to Reply #11 |
21. Ridiculous, even farcical. The blockade is illegal. |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 12:31 PM Response to Reply #21 |
26. Your claims are not founded in fact or law. If the blockade is illegal please |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 03:15 PM Response to Reply #26 |
48. U.N. Human Rights Chief: Israel's Blockade of Gaza Strip Is Illegal |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 03:20 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. That is interesting, but not a sanction or a law against the blockade. That |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 03:27 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. Please. I give you links to UN officials and you return with links to a propagandist. |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 03:35 PM Response to Reply #52 |
56. You gave no links that the blockade is illegal. You gave links of one |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 02:55 PM Response to Reply #21 |
40. Here is what Alan Dershowitz has to say regarding the legality of the blockade |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 03:08 PM Response to Reply #40 |
46. Why are you posting the work of this notorious neocon bigot to DU? |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 03:15 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Don't know when he was labled a "neocon bigot". I've know him to be a champion of civil rights |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 03:31 PM Response to Reply #47 |
54. The Dersh man is an advocate of torture and neocon wars |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 03:38 PM Response to Reply #54 |
58. I guess these don't count then |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 03:16 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. So I guess you never did find any evidence that the blockade was illegal? If you |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 03:29 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. I gave you the links. |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 03:36 PM Response to Reply #53 |
57. You gave no links that the blockade is illegal. You gave links of one |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 03:39 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. Keep repeating. You're too late. The world acknowledges |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 03:42 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. This is not about Israeli policy in Gaza but the enforcement of the blockade. |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 11:51 AM Response to Reply #1 |
5. You quoted the part dealing with neutral merchant vessels, not aid vessels |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 11:53 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Thanks. Yet another layer of mendacity. |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 11:57 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. You may want to reconsider that "mendacity". This was missed |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 11:59 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Not at all. There is no condition there that says, "submit to attack |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 12:03 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. Conditions of exemption You seem confused on what the exemption is from. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 12:22 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. Wrong. The ship does not give up its exemption when it is ATTACKED at sea. |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 12:28 PM Response to Reply #19 |
25. Yes it does. Go read the law. It specifically says who you give up your |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 03:33 PM Response to Reply #25 |
55. Nope. When a ship is being illegally boarded, the passengers |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 03:40 PM Response to Reply #55 |
60. The ship WAS being legally boarded according to international law. |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 11:56 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. You missed: Conditions of exemption. It would seem they lost theirs. |
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LakeSamish706 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 12:02 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. And you missed the fact that the blockade is illegal in accordance with the UN. |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 12:04 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Please source that. I am not aware of a U.N. rulling on that. |
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LakeSamish706 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 12:08 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Here is one source, and there are many more if you Google it. |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 12:25 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. That does not source "the fact that the blockade is illegal in accordance with the UN." |
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LakeSamish706 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 12:14 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. Also note this and I will post the source as well. |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 12:27 PM Response to Reply #18 |
24. That is not a source that the UN has in FACT found the blockade to be illegal. |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 02:56 PM Response to Reply #12 |
41. Alan Dershowitz on the blockade |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 12:26 PM Response to Reply #8 |
23. Which subsection are you contesting invalidated their exemption |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 12:31 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. Do you really need to ask? |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 12:42 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. Please |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 02:45 PM Response to Reply #29 |
35. They failed to allow inspection. |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-03-10 10:06 AM Response to Reply #35 |
69. And where is the evidence of this? |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-04-10 07:43 AM Response to Reply #69 |
72. The other five ships allowed inspection and all ended peaceably. How about this |
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backscatter712 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 03:25 PM Response to Reply #5 |
51. Also highlight "(i) vessels which have surrendered;" |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 03:45 PM Response to Reply #51 |
63. Have not read anything about that so I cannot speak to it. I know the |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 11:52 AM Response to Original message |
6. Ambassador Peck's portion is here: |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 12:03 PM Response to Original message |
13. Yeah, when you get uncooked rice thrown at you, it might hit your eye. |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 12:06 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. This does not look like rice being thrown to me. |
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ChangoLoa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 12:24 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. That looked like pirates invading a ship in international waters. |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 12:33 PM Response to Reply #20 |
28. It was in accordance with maritime law in enforcing the blockade. As I sourced |
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ChangoLoa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 12:51 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. A blockade cannot be enforced in international waters |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 02:45 PM Response to Reply #31 |
36. Yes it can. Here is Alan Dershowitz on the matter. |
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ChangoLoa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 02:57 PM Response to Reply #36 |
42. AD is not a law book yet. That operation was completely pointless IMO. nt |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 03:01 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. If the point was to enforce the blockade then it not only had a point but |
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ChangoLoa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 03:41 PM Response to Reply #45 |
61. Did you find something in int'l law on this kind of operations? I'm really curious.nt |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 03:46 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. Haven't looked for it. I guess they could have just sunk the ship but I think |
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ChangoLoa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 04:44 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. Sunk it? |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-04-10 07:31 AM Response to Reply #67 |
71. Boarding a ship that is planning to run a blockade is legal |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 01:14 PM Response to Reply #28 |
34. Shooting people dead from above is piracy. |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 02:47 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. I find the account inaccurate, and contrary to the video evidence. If you |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 03:00 PM Response to Reply #34 |
44. Here is evidence that the first attacks came from the boat up. |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 01:07 PM Response to Reply #16 |
33. Shoot at me first, and I will use any means necessary to defend myself. |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 02:50 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. The evidence provided so far does not support that the Israelis fired |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 02:59 PM Response to Reply #33 |
43. More video. Shows the Israelis being attacked before getting on board. |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 12:43 PM Response to Original message |
30. I have to pick up my daughter now so I have to leave with this. So far the only |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 01:04 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. Can you clarify how please |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 02:53 PM Response to Reply #32 |
39. The refused to allow inspection as required to maintain their |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-03-10 10:08 AM Response to Reply #39 |
70. Dershowitz? |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 03:55 PM Response to Original message |
65. Oops, weapons found. |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 04:02 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. We call it planting a gun back here in America |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 05:42 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. "Sprinkle some crack on him and let's get out of here!" |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-04-10 07:46 AM Response to Reply #66 |
73. So you accept one side of the argument but non of the evidence from the other side? |
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Meeker Morgan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-04-10 07:56 AM Response to Original message |
74. Hamas stops flotilla aid delivered by Israel (CNN) |
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