Interview with Qurei - Marionette

http://www.msnbc.com/news/994070.asp


Are you trying to unite the security services under your command as the Roadmap specifies?
The Roadmap is not the bible. I will report to Arafat


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Let's see, he needs Israel to stop building the wall, stop killing terrorists, release terrorists from prison, and other actions that will facilitate the PA strategy of killing women and children.

And in return, he will do nothing.

are NEVER required to do jack-shit.

no, israel must basically roll over and die and then
maybe arafat and the pa MIGHT do something.

1. stop the anti-semitism on tv and in print.

2.stop glorifying "martyrs" who kill innocent people
eating in restaurants

3. stop corruption

4. arrest even a few terrorists to show your serious

5. renounce terrorism in speeches

6. stop producing textbooks that glorify religious murder

7. ban hamas et al as terrorists.

1. stop the anti-semitism on tv and in print.

2.stop glorifying "martyrs" who kill innocent people
eating in restaurants

6. stop producing textbooks that glorify religious murder

All of those are fine points.

3. stop corruption

Sorry, that's impossible.

4. arrest even a few terrorists to show your serious

This will acomplish absolutely nothing. The PA lacks the infrastructure - thanks to Israel's gracious help in the form of blasting apart their security forces - tio actually take out the terrorists. It also lacks the popular support to do such a thing.

5. renounce terrorism in speeches

Already been done.

7. ban hamas et al as terrorists.

There are two things that could happen after this:

A. Nothing accomplished.

B. Full scale revolt against the PA, more violence and chaos.

Question: What happens if a bomb explodes in Jerusalem tomorrow and the Aksa brigades take credit?
Qurei: We will run after them. There is a conviction among the Palestinians that they will give this government a chance.

Of course, talk is cheap.

I'm afraid I must express my pessimism once again. The Roadmap was designed to fail. Sharon wants to build settlements and Arafat wants to continue to milk his cow. Qurei will fare no better than Abbas.

8. Get on your knees and grovel at Sharon's feet.

Which is basically what it is all about really.

the first step of the roadmap :

- dismantling terrorist capabilities and infrastructure

- ending incitement to violence

- draft a constitution, elections

All a pipe dream as long as the head terrorist, Arafat, retains power.

do something the IDF has been trying and failing to do for three years?

of ability, it's a matter of will. When the Americans were killed a couple of weeks ago, the PA arrested a few people (although admittedly they might have just arrested the nearest pedestrians as a show of doing something), I believe within 24 hours, showing they do have the capability to arrest and do something.

The fact that Israel has been unsuccesful is partly because the PA is helping/arming the terrorists. If the PA were to be a willing partner in ending the terrorism (a pipe dream surely), I believe porgress could be made. Unfortunately, all they seem to be able to do is say that Israel needs to stop building the wall, release imprisoned terrorists, and other things that will facilitate their strategy of killing innocents.

First, the PA is not helping or arming the terrorists - they are simply tolerating them. that is my stance until I find evidence to the contrary, which is very rare when it does not come from the IDF spokesmen...

Second, what is needed to destroy the terrorist infrastructure isn;t simply a few arrests. Without any real military power in the Occupied Territories and without much popular support, they can't do anything.

Third, a large number of those "terrorists" the PA wants Israel to release have not been charged nor put on trial. They could well be innocent.

Fourth, the wall is a land-grab, not a security mechanism.

First, the PA is not helping or arming the terrorists - they are simply tolerating them. that is my stance until I find evidence to the contrary, which is very rare when it does not come from the IDF spokesmen...

The Karine A incident is evidence enough for me.

Second, what is needed to destroy the terrorist infrastructure isn;t simply a few arrests. Without any real military power in the Occupied Territories and without much popular support, they can't do anything.

This is true, although the arrests show they can do something. The fact that they don't have popular support is due to the fact that they have brainwashing and incitng their people for about a decade. It's no legitimate excuse. If the PA had no military power, I suspect they would have been killed in a power struggle. They have power, just absolutely no will to use it to end terrorism.

Third, a large number of those "terrorists" the PA wants Israel to release have not been charged nor put on trial. They could well be innocent.

Well, when the last batch was release, a couple of them were involved in a deadly terrorist attack shortly thereafter. Sure, a few of them might be innocent, but the PA always whines that they ALL must be released as "confidence-building"

Fourth, the wall is a land-grab, not a security mechanism

I'd agree if there weren't a bunch of homicidal maniacs in the territories intent on slaughtering as many innocent people as possible. And to build the security fence entirely on the Green Line would embolden the terrorists - would be viewed as a sign of retreat. Suicidal.

The Karine A incident is evidence enough for me.

Not for me. How do you know that the PA was involved? How do you know that the weapons were intended for Hamas or Islamic Jihad?

This is true, although the arrests show they can do something. The fact that they don't have popular support is due to the fact that they have brainwashing and incitng their people for about a decade. It's no legitimate excuse. If the PA had no military power, I suspect they would have been killed in a power struggle. They have power, just absolutely no will to use it to end terrorism.

The reason they don't have popular support is because they haven't accomplished much. The refusal of Israel to make concessions is a reason for this.

Well, when the last batch was release, a couple of them were involved in a deadly terrorist attack shortly thereafter. Sure, a few of them might be innocent, but the PA always whines that they ALL must be released as "confidence-building"

Do you have evidence to support your first statement?

I'd agree if there weren't a bunch of homicidal maniacs in the territories intent on slaughtering as many innocent people as possible. And to build the security fence entirely on the Green Line would embolden the terrorists - would be viewed as a sign of retreat. Suicidal.

No, it isn't suicidal. You're thinking of this as a conventional war; it isn't. It is a guerilla war.

so will be quick

1.

http://usinfo.state.gov/topical/pol/terror/02012804.htm

Mr. Lehrer: Is there any question in your mind, Mr. Secretary, that Chairman Arafat knew all about this shipload of arms?

Secretary Powell: I can't put it right at him personally, but it is clear from all the information available to us that the Palestinian Authority was involved. And leaders in the Palestinian Authority had to know about this, and there were Palestinian Authority personnel on the ship. So it is hard to say we know nothing about it and let's form a commission to go investigate it. It's a pretty big smoking gun.


Now some will claim he's a Zionist puupet, Mossad manufactured the evidence, but this is good enough for me (but I'm sure it won't be for you.) As far as the weapons going to terrorists, they weren't going to be used as noisemakers.

2.

You imply there is a PA will to stop terrorism they just need concessions (which always coincidentally weaken Israel's defenses) You would have a leg to stand on if the PA wasn't naming soccer stadiums and streets after terrorists, pasting up glorifying posters of "martyrs" after each attack, glorifying terrorists in PA controlled media, schools and mosques.

There is no popular support for combatting terrorism because the PA has made it so.

3.

The link doesn't work anymore but here's a story

RAMALLAH, West Bank - A follower of Islamic Jihad carried out a weekend shooting attack on a West Bank settlement at the start of Jewish New Year celebrations that killed an Israeli man and a baby girl, the group said Sunday.

Islamic Jihad stop short of claiming responsibility, but group members identified the gunman as Mahmoud Hamdan, 22, a well-known Islamic Jihad activist recently released from an Israeli jail. Hamdan was killed by Israeli troops in the attack.

4. It's a war against terrorism. Giving terrorists what some of them "claim" they want is extremely dangerous IMO as it will be viewed as a partial victory.

do you think they wouldn't try to rebuilt it?

I think that there ARE elements within the PA that would be willing to combat terrorism. Arafat lacks that will, admittedly, but Qurei or Abbas seem to be willing to do so eventually.

A war against terrorism is a guerilla war. You have to fight two battles at once; one against the terrorists themselves, and the other for the support of the people. A balance has to be found. The wall, the assasinations, the constant uses of excessive force in raids, and the like are not the right balance.

http://www.democraticunderground.org/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=124&topic_id=4537&mesg_id=4537

41. The "road map" uses the word dismantle twice.

Edited on Mon Aug-04-03 07:50 PM by bemildred

I checked it on both Jewish and Palestinian propaganda sites
to be sure. Both are in the Phase one section. Notice the
bold language.

Security:


* Rebuilt and refocused Palestinian Authority security apparatus begins
sustained, targeted, and effective operations aimed at confronting all those
engaged in terror and dismantlement of terrorist capabilities and infrastructure.
This includes commencing confiscation of illegal weapons and consolidation
of security authority, free of association with terror and corruption.


Settlements:


* GOI immediately dismantles settlement outposts erected since March 2001.

* Consistent with the Mitchell Report, GOI freezes all settlement activity
(including natural growth of settlements).

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