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Vegasaurus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 06:32 PM
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Israel and the Surrender of the West
Edited on Wed Jun-23-10 06:32 PM by Vegasaurus
The most interesting voice in all the fallout surrounding the Gaza flotilla incident is that sanctimonious and meddling voice known as "world opinion." At every turn "world opinion," like a school marm, takes offense and condemns Israel for yet another infraction of the world's moral sensibility. And this voice has achieved an international political legitimacy so that even the silliest condemnation of Israel is an opportunity for self-congratulation.

Rock bands now find moral imprimatur in canceling their summer tour stops in Israel (Elvis Costello, the Pixies, the Gorillaz, the Klaxons). A demonstrator at an anti-Israel rally in New York carries a sign depicting the skull and crossbones drawn over the word "Israel." White House correspondent Helen Thomas, in one of the ugliest incarnations of this voice, calls on Jews to move back to Poland. And of course the United Nations and other international organizations smugly pass one condemnatory resolution after another against Israel while the Obama administration either joins in or demurs with a wink.

This is something new in the world, this almost complete segregation of Israel in the community of nations. And if Helen Thomas's remarks were pathetic and ugly, didn't they also point to the end game of this isolation effort: the nullification of Israel's legitimacy as a nation? There is a chilling familiarity in all this. One of the world's oldest stories is playing out before our eyes: The Jews are being scapegoated again.


edited to add link: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704198004575311011923686570.html?mod=rss_Today%27s_Most_Popular
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 06:37 PM
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1. Right winger blames Palestinians for all the problems in the Middle East
when not blaming the west for being hesitant about imperialism. So, what's new?
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elias7 Donating Member (913 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 06:57 PM
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3. You know, you kind of prove the argument in your mischaracterizations
No one blames Palestinians for all the problems; it is unfair, however to blame Israel for all the problems. Both sides carry blame and responsibility.

Secondly, I think "imperialism" is not the right word or idea here. Israel is not really expansionistic and is not trying to create an empire. It could wipe out Gaza in a day if it chose to take over the land. It wouldn't have given back the Sinai Peninsula to Egypt if it were imperialistic.

By simplifying and demonizing Israel's part in this ongoing history, you prove the OP
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 07:10 PM
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5. 'imperialism' is his word; he blames the Palestinians
"One reason for this is that the entire Western world has suffered from a deficit of moral authority for decades now. Today we in the West are reluctant to use our full military might in war lest we seem imperialistic; we hesitate to enforce our borders lest we seem racist; we are reluctant to ask for assimilation from new immigrants lest we seem xenophobic; and we are pained to give Western Civilization primacy in our educational curricula lest we seem supremacist. Today the West lives on the defensive, the very legitimacy of our modern societies requiring constant dissociation from the sins of the Western past—racism, economic exploitation, imperialism and so on."

And I challenge you to find a single sentence in the WSJ article saying Israel has done anything wrong at all; while he blames all the problems on the Palestinians thinking they are 'inferior':

"For example, we ignore that the Palestinians—and for that matter much of the Middle East—are driven to militancy and war not by legitimate complaints against Israel or the West but by an internalized sense of inferiority. If the Palestinians got everything they want—a sovereign nation and even, let's say, a nuclear weapon—they would wake the next morning still hounded by a sense of inferiority.".

He goes on the claim the Palestinians undermined the Camp David talks because they thought they needed to keep hating Jews. I'm not simplying or demonising Israel's part; but I'm worried to see you agree enthusiastically with the far right view of Steele that everything is the Palestinians' (or Muslims' in general) fault.

"It could wipe out Gaza in a day if it chose to take over the land." Hmm, that sounds rather like Steele's earlier claim from 2006 that the problem in Iraq was that the US didn't kill enough Iraqis - and he repeats the call for more unashamed Western imperialism in this article:

Certainly since Vietnam, America has increasingly practiced a policy of minimalism and restraint in war. And now this unacknowledged policy, which always makes a space for the enemy, has us in another long and rather passionless war against a weak enemy.

Why this new minimalism in war?

It began, I believe, in a late-20th-century event that transformed the world more profoundly than the collapse of communism: the world-wide collapse of white supremacy as a source of moral authority, political legitimacy and even sovereignty. . . .

The collapse of white supremacy--and the resulting white guilt--introduced a new mechanism of power into the world: stigmatization with the evil of the Western past. And this stigmatization is power because it affects the terms of legitimacy for Western nations and for their actions in the world. In Iraq, America is fighting as much for the legitimacy of its war effort as for victory in war. In fact, legitimacy may be the more important goal.

If a military victory makes us look like an imperialist nation bent on occupying and raping the resources of a poor brown nation, then victory would mean less because it would have no legitimacy. Europe would scorn. Conversely, if America suffered a military loss in Iraq but in so doing dispelled the imperialist stigma, the loss would be seen as a necessary sacrifice made to restore our nation's legitimacy. Europe's halls of internationalism would suddenly open to us.

http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2006/05/time-to-stop-feeling-guilty-and-start.html
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elias7 Donating Member (913 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 06:42 PM
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2. That's the second reference I've heard on this idea recently
The link is to a sermon of Rabbi Gardenswartz from Temple Emanuel in Newton, MA

http://templeemanuel.com/sites/default/files/images/Publications/20100605_SinInTheWater.pdf



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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 07:00 PM
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4. Dang, "world opinion" has "achieved an international political legitimacy"?
This guy is a really good thinker he is.
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here_is_to_hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 07:34 PM
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6. Kathryn Lopez says
much the same in her latest pablum piece...but includes these gems...


"We may not live in an Islamic world -- yet -- but we do live with an Islamic worldview. Witness the uniformly Islamicized consensus that met Israel's successful if costly defense of its Gaza blockade.

The blockade, by the way, is a defensive measure that Israel devised after Hamas terrorists were elected to govern Israel-ceded Gaza in 2005 and -- no surprise to any student of jihad -- decided to continue their charter-commanded war on Israel, raining down nearly 10,000 rockets onto Israeli civilians.

The rocketing, of course, was OK with the Islamicized consensus. What wasn't OK happened on the night of May 31 when Israeli commandos, lightly armed with paintball guns and emergency sidearms, unexpectedly battled aboard the Mavi Marmara against trained fighters with ties to the Turkish government, specifically to the ruling AKP party of Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan, to maintain Israel's lawful blockade."

Lightly armed with paintball guns and "emergency sidearms"... WTF?

Just crap and outright lies.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-10 02:41 AM
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7. Fanatical anti-Israel rants and fanatical pro-Israel rants always sound soooo similar
Edited on Thu Jun-24-10 03:15 AM by LeftishBrit
Change a few words, and this could be by Pat Buchanan or Paul Craig Roberts.

There is no such thing as 'world opinion'; just lots of people's opinions.

This article is just more 'culture warring' by those who think that everything is America and its Allies vs Everyone Else.

The author of the article is not only RW, but wrote a book c. 2007 on why Obama could not possibly be elected as president -so I wouldn't take him too seriously.

ETA: obviously it IS true that some people and groups in this world have an exceptionalist tendency to blame Israel for absolutely anything - but this author is just using this as fodder for his own dogmatic and exceptionalist views.



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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-10 04:17 AM
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8. wow. if you'd searched far and wide
for the most pathetic piece in defense of Israel's attack on the flotilla, you couldn't have come up with anything more pathetic.
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Tripmann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-10 05:39 AM
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9. Is this the same Shelby Steele that wrote the book about how Obama
can't win, then said the title was a marketing ploy?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelby_Steele

Steele wrote a short book A Bound Man: Why We are Excited about Obama and Why He Can't Win, published in December 2007. The book contained Steele's analysis of Barack Obama's character as a child born to a mixed couple who then has to grow as a black man.<5> Steele then concludes that Barack Obama is a "bound man" to his "black identity." Steele gives this description of his conclusion:
“ There is a price to be paid even for fellow-traveling with a racial identity as politicized and demanding as today’s black identity. This identity wants to take over a greater proportion of the self than other racial identities do. It wants to have its collective truth — its defining ideas of grievance and protest — become personal truth.... These are the identity pressures that Barack Obama lives within. He is vulnerable to them because he has hungered for a transparent black identity much of his life. He needs to 'be black.' And this hunger — no matter how understandable it may be — means that he is not in a position to reject the political liberalism inherent in his racial identity. For Obama liberalism is blackness. ”
Is this the same Shelby Steele that wrote the book about how Obama

After Obama won the 2008 U.S. presidential election, Steele defended his analysis and claimed that the subtitle of the book was simply a marketing device that he had only put "about 30 seconds" of thought into.<6> He explains Obama's victory by likening him to Louis Armstrong, donning the "bargainer's mask" in his bid for white acceptance. In his analysis, he takes whites — whom he claims have for decades been stigmatized as racist and had to prove they are not — "off the hook."


Ah yes, what dogs we must lie with to excuse the inexcusable.
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