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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-10 09:47 AM Original message |
Hamas official: Israeli settlers are a legitimate military target |
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USArmyParatrooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-10 10:11 AM Response to Original message |
1. How about this pregnant woman they targeted? Was she a legit target? |
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Crunchy Frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-07-10 10:04 PM Response to Reply #1 |
93. When I was pregnant I studiously avoided placing myself |
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hayu_lol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-10 10:17 AM Response to Original message |
2. I note from the article(link)that HAMAS fired... |
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parkia00 (401 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-10 11:25 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. First of all... |
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whosinpower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-10 10:36 AM Response to Original message |
3. They are sounding desperate |
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sellitman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-10 10:57 AM Response to Original message |
4. As long as Hamas is in charge there will be no peace |
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hayu_lol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-10 06:25 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. HAMAS was elected... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-10 06:31 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Hamas self-appointed themselves rulers of Gaza....they were never elected for that role. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-10 10:48 AM Response to Reply #6 |
13. Their role in Gaza was determined by AK-47, not the ballot |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 04:09 PM Response to Reply #13 |
39. But they did win the election |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 06:09 PM Response to Reply #39 |
60. So? The PA was in charge of security and had every right to disarm Hamas. n/t |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 04:18 PM Response to Reply #13 |
43. Not quite correct |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 06:10 PM Response to Reply #43 |
61. No, Hamas winning parliamentary majority doesn't give them the right to rule militarily. n/t |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 06:25 PM Response to Reply #61 |
65. That has fuck all to do with anything I said, I'm afraid |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 06:58 PM Response to Reply #65 |
68. Actually it does. Even if Hamas loses in elections, they will continue to rule Gaza by gun.... |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 11:33 PM Response to Reply #68 |
77. They very well might do that. And I'm worried that they will |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-07-10 05:19 AM Response to Reply #77 |
79. My response.... |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-08-10 01:20 PM Response to Reply #79 |
95. Well, let's hope we're both pleasantly surprised n/t |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 08:10 PM Response to Reply #43 |
71. You seriously believe that Fatah staged a violent coup attempt? |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-07-10 08:22 AM Response to Reply #71 |
84. So it was like the 6 day war |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-07-10 10:20 AM Response to Reply #84 |
85. Well, I don't entirely buy the Hamas/Vanity Fair version of what happened |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-13-10 01:15 PM Response to Reply #43 |
108. They remain in power because the US, Israel and Fatah don't want elections. |
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sellitman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-10 10:31 PM Response to Reply #6 |
14. Hamas is the reason Gaza suffers. |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 04:28 PM Response to Reply #14 |
44. Channeling Madeline Albright, are we? n/t |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-10 06:35 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. Actually, Hamas has indicated a willingness to consider a two-state approach |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-10 06:37 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Hamas has called for a limited ceasefire based on 2 states with full RoR. n/t |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-13-10 01:16 PM Response to Reply #10 |
109. Oh the HORROR!!!! 2 states with R-o-R!!!! OMG!!! |
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sellitman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-10 10:43 PM Response to Reply #9 |
15. Hamas has only claimed they want total destruction of the Zionist State |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-10 06:32 PM Response to Original message |
8. I oppose what Hamas did to these people.... |
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issy98 (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 03:39 PM Response to Reply #8 |
27. You should have stopped before |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 03:45 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. Deleted message |
Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 03:55 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. Human shields are always morally problematic |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 04:05 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. "Human-shield". You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. n/t |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 04:08 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. It means exactly what I'm saying it means |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 05:14 PM Response to Reply #37 |
51. Wouldn't all Israelis be "human sheilds" by that definition? |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 05:17 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Only for the "into the sea" crowd |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 05:19 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. I don't agree with your analysis here |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 10:44 PM Response to Reply #51 |
73. Apparently all Palestinians are... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 11:36 PM Response to Reply #73 |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-11-10 05:10 AM Response to Reply #73 |
104. except that it is very real. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 04:16 PM Response to Reply #35 |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-13-10 01:19 PM Response to Reply #33 |
110. Let's be clear: the 1.3 million in Gaza weren't "put there" by Palestinian |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 05:04 PM Response to Reply #27 |
50. Why is it so important to have people say |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 03:43 PM Response to Reply #8 |
28. self-delete. n/t |
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Crunchy Frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-10 07:28 PM Response to Original message |
11. I don't think Hamas is right, but |
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Dick Dastardly (741 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-10 11:20 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. No need to wonder, we know what has happened to |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 03:53 PM Response to Reply #12 |
31. You make some bad arguments |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 10:45 PM Response to Reply #12 |
74. So you consider Arab Israelis to be the settlers |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 12:33 AM Response to Original message |
16. And? |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 03:55 AM Response to Reply #16 |
17. let's follow your analogy more... |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 02:29 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. Are you really asking this? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 03:49 PM Response to Reply #21 |
30. Some of that property over the 1949 armistice line was Jewish owned prior to 1949. That's why... |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 04:15 PM Response to Reply #30 |
41. well, that's an interesting stance for you to take, Shira. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 06:11 PM Response to Reply #41 |
62. What part of disputed land don't you understand? n/t |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 06:28 PM Response to Reply #62 |
66. I understand it just fine |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-10-10 01:25 AM Response to Reply #21 |
100. why? |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-10-10 01:46 PM Response to Reply #100 |
101. The problem with your position is simple |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-11-10 02:20 AM Response to Reply #101 |
102. That isn't what I am saying at all. |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 05:50 AM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Do you agree with Hamas that Israeli settlers are legitimate targets for killing then? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 02:26 PM Response to Reply #18 |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 03:01 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. Stunning response |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 03:26 PM Response to Reply #24 |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 03:32 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. I don't have a "team" and I do not support the killing of civilians ever by anyone |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 04:08 PM Response to Reply #26 |
38. Don't give me the feigned innocence shit, Oberliner |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 04:34 PM Response to Reply #38 |
45. No idea what you mean by that comment |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 04:57 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. Well, that's great |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 05:02 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. West Bank Violence: Hamas must prevent further attacks on Israeli citizens |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 05:39 PM Response to Reply #49 |
57. Again with the platitudes |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 06:00 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. If the Israeli settlers will not leave voluntarily then Palestinians have the right to kill them? |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 06:24 PM Response to Reply #58 |
64. Not quite sp |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 07:26 PM Response to Reply #64 |
70. Human Rights Watch: Attacking civilians is never justified |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 11:03 PM Response to Reply #70 |
75. You seem unable to answer the question |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-07-10 05:25 AM Response to Reply #75 |
80. Simple - well not so simple but here's what they should do for peace... |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-09-10 01:54 AM Response to Reply #80 |
97. You're right. That's not even remotely simple |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-11-10 11:22 AM Response to Reply #75 |
105. You are right... |
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whosinpower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-07-10 06:10 PM Response to Reply #64 |
92. There is another option |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-11-10 11:57 PM Response to Reply #45 |
106. I found lots showing disdain for the killing of Israeli civilians, but when it comes to Palestinians |
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Cannafield (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-07-10 07:40 AM Response to Reply #38 |
82. What does stolen/stealing mean? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 03:54 PM Response to Reply #25 |
32. Chuli - do you have a problem with the PA and Hamas inciting Palestinians to murder settlers? |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 03:59 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. Something needs to be done to make the settlements costly enough for Israel to abandon them |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 04:07 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. If you've seen pictures of the highlands in Jerusalem, you'd know that Palestinians are doing... |
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issy98 (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 06:05 PM Response to Reply #36 |
59. Yes people tend to forget that Israel stilll needs and |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 04:13 PM Response to Reply #32 |
40. Israel awards terrorists with state funerals and makes them Prime Ministers |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 05:30 PM Response to Reply #40 |
56. "Israel awards terrorists with state funerals and makes them Prime Ministers"...well... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 06:12 PM Response to Reply #40 |
63. Why didn't you answer whether Hamas/PLO disgusts you? n/t |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 06:34 PM Response to Reply #63 |
67. Allow me to explain to you, via anecdote |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 07:08 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. I can only assume none of that disgusts you as you've never once articulated that... |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 11:19 PM Response to Reply #69 |
76. Well, I've given it a little more thought |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-07-10 05:31 AM Response to Reply #76 |
81. To be clear... |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-09-10 02:13 AM Response to Reply #81 |
98. I think I've already answered your question |
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issy98 (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 04:45 PM Response to Reply #24 |
46. Scary such posters exist here. |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 04:59 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. Years of watching the gentlemen across the aisle cheer for the deaths of Arabs |
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LTX (400 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-08-10 08:34 AM Response to Reply #48 |
94. Strange. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-09-10 02:18 AM Response to Reply #94 |
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elias7 (913 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 09:58 AM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Your fallacy is in assuming that property lines and ownership are established |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 02:36 PM Response to Reply #19 |
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ProgressiveMajority (150 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-13-10 01:46 PM Response to Reply #16 |
111. Well said! Also, the Settlers poison wells and kill Palistineans... |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 02:37 PM Response to Original message |
23. I think "human shield" is a better term |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 05:18 PM Response to Reply #23 |
53. What was the actual target in this case that these humans were shielding? |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 05:21 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. I could slime out of this and say "the actual target was Israel's sense of collective security" |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 08:40 PM Response to Reply #55 |
72. With respect to your edit |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-07-10 08:19 AM Response to Reply #72 |
83. Attacking soldiers vs. civilians |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-07-10 10:30 AM Response to Reply #83 |
86. Did these particular settelers attack Palestinians and their property? |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-07-10 10:41 AM Response to Reply #86 |
87. How were the shooters supposed to know? |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-07-10 11:43 AM Response to Reply #87 |
88. They don't know - which is why they shouldn't kill them |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-07-10 11:48 AM Response to Reply #88 |
89. That was a separate argument |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-07-10 11:55 AM Response to Reply #89 |
90. That justfication can be used for just about anyone to kill anyone else |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-07-10 12:05 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. Civilians die in war. Always. |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-11-10 02:53 AM Response to Reply #89 |
103. But was this why these people were shot? |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 12:00 AM Response to Reply #103 |
107. There's no confusion about these settlers...they were ones from Hebron... |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-18-10 02:22 AM Response to Reply #89 |
112. That's not how human shields work. |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-08-10 01:30 PM Response to Original message |
96. That doesn't justify murdering them, though. |
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