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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-11 05:44 AM
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Prosor named Israel's UN ambassador
Israel's Ambassador to Britain Ron Prosor has been named as the Jewish state's next United Nations envoy, sources in the Prime Minister's Office confirmed Sunday following an agreement between Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman.

Prosor will be replaced in London by National Security Advisor Uzi Arad, in a move likely aimed at restoring calm in the Prime Minister's Office.

Arad's name as been mentioned often as the person responsible for many disputes and tensions in the PM's Office.

Environmental Protection Minister Gilad Erdan decided last week to turn down Netanyahu's offer to serve as Israel's ambassador to the UN, after long deliberations. His main fear was that spending several years in New York would hurt his political aspirations.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4027604,00.html
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shira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-11 10:16 AM
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1. Ron Prosor's latest article, from HuffPo...
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-11 06:27 PM
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2. Maybe...
Prosor's successor Arad will be more of a diplomat and less preoccupied with complaining about the Brits.

Arad does seem to have a more substantial record.
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 04:13 AM
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3. It wouldn't be hard to be more of a diplomat than Prosor...
All he seemed to do was complain, even writing whiny articles in The Guardian's Comment is Free, and then turning round and complaining about The Guardian. If Israel wants to participate in a constructive way at the UN, they should send someone up to the task, not an Israeli version of John Bolton....
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 08:04 AM
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4. well here is hoping but in way it sounds like they're
getting rid of someone who is causing embarrassment at home
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 04:10 AM
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9. I don't think Israel feels embarressment about wankers like Prosor...
Edited on Tue Feb-15-11 04:11 AM by Violet_Crumble
I mean, look at who the Foreign Minister of Israel is. Israel has a bad track record when it comes to diplomats who are a total embarressment. A few years back, they sent a new Ambassador to Australia who made some incredibly racist comments where he said: "Israel and Australia are like sisters in Asia. We are in Asia without the characteristics of Asians. We don't have yellow skin and slanted eyes. Asia is basically the yellow race. Australia and Israel are not - we are basically the white race."

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3322042,00.html

At the time he was quickly recalled back to Israel, but I suspect that he wouldn't be such an embarressment to the current extreme RW Israeli govt the way he was to Olmert's govt back then...

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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 06:52 PM
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11. Israel faces emboldened Palestinian delegation in the UN
The new ambassador will soon discover that the absence of negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians has created an atmosphere of support for Palestinian issues, an atmosphere in the manner of which has not been felt in the UN for years.

The political stagnation, for which Israel is responsible, produced a wave of initiatives including the draft against Israeli settlements and the Russian initiative to dispatch a Security Council delegation to the Middle East to closely examine the reasons for the ongoing crisis between Israel and the Palestinian Authority.

<snip>

High up on Prosor's list of priorities will be alerting the UN about the strengthening of Hezbollah in Lebanon as well as the ramification of UN resolution 1701, which calls on the Lebanese Army to deploy throughout the country, including in the Hezbollah stronghold of southern Lebanon, and prevent Hezbollah from acquiring more weapons. Another priority will of course be strengthening opposition to Iran's nuclear program.

Prosor is well known for his work in London against schemes to delegitimize Israel. In the center of the United Nations in New York, he will need all the experience that he acquired in this field

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/israel-faces-emboldened-palestinian-delegation-in-the-un-1.343598

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shaayecanaan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 10:46 PM
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12. He was recalled temporarily...
and then returned to his post (although his tenure was shortened). He later got in trouble again for allowing a security officer to remain in Australia as an officer of the embassy after he was no longer an employee.

His remarks at the time were not exactly diplomatic:-

"In my opinion, anyone who wants to study towards a degree as an independent person and has no other commitments should not be prevented from doing so. I don't see the problem in his desire to stay and study, and I am the last person who would prevent him from doing so, even if it's in a place called Australia," he said.
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-11 02:42 PM
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19. I didn't know that Israel sent him back here again....
They must have a real shortage of diplomats in Israel to send ones like that out into the world to represent Israel...
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-11 05:16 PM
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20. Ever heard of John Bolton?
The US chose him as the ambassador to the UN - certainly no "shortage of diplomats" to choose from.
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-11 03:32 PM
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31. No. I just came up with John Bolton as a random name for no reason in post #3
Also, me and Shaay were discussing the racist Israeli ambassador that was recalled from and later sent back to Australia. I'm pretty sure he was never sent to the UN, so yr comment doesn't make any sense at all...

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shaayecanaan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-11 06:15 PM
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22. The employee later applied for permanent residence in Australia...
so the story goes. As a chef, apparently.

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eyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 01:27 PM
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32. As far as I can figure
He was sent back for a few months until his successor arrived.
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-11 01:28 PM
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14. Ever heard of John Bolton?
He was the US UN ambassador for a time.

Take a look at some of his statements and views.
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-11 01:54 PM
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15. except that Bolton is no longer an 'ambassador' to or for anything
He was a guest speaker at CPAC where he warned against Egyptian Democracy
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-11 05:54 PM
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16. He served as US UN Ambassador for a year and a half from mid-2005 to the end of 2006
Right-wing presidents/prime ministers generally appoint right-wingers to such posts.

Let's see how long Prosor lasts in this position.
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-11 06:02 PM
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21. Prosor was appointed by Olmert who was Kadima, , he has lasted over 3 years
he served from 11/07 to the present, Bolton lasted 16 months from 8/05 to 12/06 when even a lame duck Republican majority Senate could not confirm him
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-11 11:41 PM
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23. No he wasn't - he was appointed by Netanyahu a few weeks ago and has not started in the position yet
Edited on Thu Feb-17-11 11:42 PM by oberliner
We shall see how long he lasts.
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-11 07:49 AM
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24. He was appointed by Olmert to be ambassador to the UK in 2007
is Kadima a right wing party your claim was that right wingers appoint right wingers but Olmert from the reputedly Centrist Kadima made him an ambassador in the first place
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-11 09:20 AM
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25. Ambassador to the UK? What does that have to do with anything?
Here in the US, for example, Bill Clinton appointed a Republican as ambassador to the UK during his tenure as president.
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-11 09:52 AM
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26. he was an ambassador and he is apparently right wing
who Bill Clinton appointed as an ambassador only further proves your original statement wrong
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-11 10:29 AM
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27. You may be confused- my original statement had nothing to do with ambassadors to the UK
People of various political stripes are often appointed to ambassadorships of politically friendly countries

The ambassador to the UN position is an entirely different animal.
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-11 10:38 AM
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28. But still and none the less Prosor was an ambassador prior to this appointed to t
being the UN ambassador and his work during his time in the UK IMO was why he was choosen for that position
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-11 11:15 AM
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29. I think that Azurnoir may have been thinking of *my* post here
Being British, I was aware of Prosor mainly in his role as ambassador to the UK, in which post he has shown himself pretty undiplomatic for a diplomat. (Not that there aren't also undiplomatic British diplomats!)
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-11 11:34 AM
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30. no I was not confused at all Prosor was IMO chosen
for the both positions because he was 'undiplomatic'
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-11 06:44 PM
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17. Ugh, yes, he was horrible!
Glad he finally went.
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-11 02:35 PM
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18. No. I just came up with John Bolton as a random name for no reason in post #3 n/t
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shira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 05:58 PM
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6. Guardian admits lying WRT Palestine Papers
Edited on Mon Feb-14-11 06:00 PM by shira
http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2011/feb/12/corrections-clarifications?INTCMP=SRCH

A quote by Tzipi Livni, Israel's former foreign minister, within a panel that formed part of the Palestine papers, was cut in a way that may have given a misleading impression. The quote appeared as: "The Israel policy is to take more and more land day after day and that at the end of the day we'll say that it is impossible, we already have the land and cannot create the state." To clarify, the full quote is: "I understand the sentiments of the Palestinians when they see the settlements being built. The meaning from the Palestinian perspective is that Israel takes more land, that the Palestinian state will be impossible, the Israel policy is to take more and more land day after day and that at the end of the day we'll say that it is impossible, we already have the land and cannot create the state." (What they said ... 24 January, page 4.)


Prosor nailed it WRT the Guardian coverage of the Palestine Papers.
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 06:37 PM
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7. Barely
All they admitted to was saying that the quote was "cut in a way that may have given a misleading impression" - not quite an admission of lying.

Looking at the quote, however, and the way it was cut, I would say "misleading impression" is an understatement.
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shaayecanaan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 12:03 AM
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8. Jesus, imagine if all the Palestinians had to complain about was a truncated quote (nt)
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-11 01:27 PM
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13. Non-sequitur
Lots of people have lots to complain about.
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shira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 06:31 PM
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10. It's still pathetic how the Guardian fabricates news.
Edited on Tue Feb-15-11 07:26 PM by shira
I'm shocked they printed a retraction.

Of course there are at least 5-6 more they should print WRT the way they misrepresented the Palestine Papers.
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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 11:19 AM
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5. Lieberman now says that Arad will not be the new ambassador
It looks like there's been a major bustup betweent the PM and the FM.
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