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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 04:08 AM
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Police: Details of honor killing 'shocking'
HEBRON (Ma'an) -- Police identified the remains of a 20-year-old woman at the bottom of a well near Hebron on Friday, an estimated 13 months after her disappearance.

Her uncle and three other relatives were detained and questioned. Police told Ma'an on Sunday that the death was an honor killing, to which her uncle confessed, and revealed the grim details about the woman's murder.

Local prosecutor Ashraf Mash'al identified the woman as Ayah Ibrahim Barad'iyya from the southern West Bank town of Surif. Her body was found in a deserted well by Israel's separation wall in fields near her home. It took two days to retrieve her remains from the well.

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=385727
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 08:06 AM
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2. Barbarians
It was difficult to read the article and admit I couldn't read every word. Has the uncle been arrested? Will there be a trial or will, once again, a woman's death be considered no big deal?
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 08:49 AM
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3. well of course it's no big deal in fact you failed to mention
Edited on Wed May-11-11 09:11 AM by azurnoir
that the uncle was indeed being given a medal by the PA morals police however did that get past you? One can only wonder why, how can our gentle readers here ever be fully informed as to what savages these people truly are"

or one can be honest the details of the murder are known because the uncle indeed was arrested perhaps you missed this part of the article due to being blinded by your tears

Her uncle and three other relatives were detained and questioned. Police told Ma'an on Sunday that the death was an honor killing, to which her uncle confessed, and revealed the grim details about the woman's murder.

<snip>

The facts of the case were "shocking," director of Hebron police Ramadan Awad told Ma'an. "As we interrogated her uncle, the people in the room could hardly hold back tears."


but then again as someone here will almost certainly point out the article does not say specifically the uncle was arrested so with those "barbarians" who knows right?

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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 09:18 AM
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4. Is this your idea of a defense?
I had already read what you bolded. It doesn't answer my question at all, does it? Detained and questioned is not the same as arrested and punished. Now, would you like to take another swing at my very simple question?
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 09:45 AM
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7. well I'm sure they gave him a medal of moral courage and let him go aren't you?
but then again I did predict your response didn't I?
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 09:21 AM
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5. Never mind - I found it myself
Of course he's going to get away with it. From the link in the OP:


Palestinian courts commute sentences for men who kill or attack female relatives accused or suspected of "dishonoring" their families.

On International Women's Day in March 2009, President Mahmoud Abbas signed the UN Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women.

However, more than two years later, the president has still not amended domestic laws addressing women's rights, and the Jordanian penal code of 1960 remains in place.

The Palestinian Centre for Human Rights says the recurrence of murders of women may be due to the "relative impunity" men are granted when murdering in the name of "honor."


Now, what were you saying?
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 09:36 AM
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6. and what were you saying? your post starts with the word barbarians
Edited on Wed May-11-11 09:40 AM by azurnoir
I was defending nothing I was pointing out the falsity of of your post, but you win dear however I always love it when "liberals" use "concern" for women or gays to demonize an entire people

do carry on

of course now you will claim the word barbarians was only meant to apply to the perpetrators or Palestinian men which will it be "inquiring minds" want to know

eta that being said Abbas needs to keep true to his word and amend the Palestinian legal code
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 10:08 AM
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8. Wow - mindreading
If you're trying to pass that off as a skill, you're woefully bad at it. At no point did I declare anyone other than the perpertrators as barbarians. I asked a question that you didn't want to answer and I don't blame you since the answer is ONCE AGAIN, THE ANIMALS ARE GETTING AWAY WITH KILLING A WOMAN OVER HONOR. Let me know when Abbas changes the law - then you'll have a point. Until then you are defending the indefensible and blaming me for it. Laughable and pathetic.
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King_David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-11 12:07 AM
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10. You think we should just keep quite
Edited on Sun May-15-11 12:11 AM by King_David

When the barbarians kill or discriminate against Women and Gays?

How progressive (and disgusting )

:grr:

We should fucking shout it from every rooftop.



There is no fucking excusing it . EVER !!!!


(azurnoir your post made me so mad I alerted)
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-11 12:17 AM
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11. I suspect it may be post #9 that infuriates?
Edited on Sun May-15-11 12:46 AM by azurnoir
also quote the exact line where I defend honor killing as you claim,

eta I did however take the precaution of copying my post which was made on Wednesday May 11

There are civil ways of expressing outrage over honor killing my post expressed outrage over what I felt to be overboard and possibly a blanket comment? nothing that could remotely defend honor killing
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-11 12:58 AM
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12. Abbas has indeed amended the Palestinian Penal code see comment #9 n/t
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-11 11:49 AM
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9. Abbas orders amendment to 'honor killing' law
President Mahmoud Abbas has directed the judiciary to award the "utmost punishment" to perpetrators of honor killings, his secretary-general said Friday.

<snip>

Director of Ma'an Network's TV department and women's rights activist Nahid Abu T'eima participated in the talk show. She had been campaigning for an amendment to the law, and burst into tears on air when she heard the announcement.

"This is a historical accomplishment to amend the 1960 penal law which belongs to the dark ages. Ma'an News Agency's coverage has helped amend that law which human right groups have been trying to change for 15 years," said Abu T'eima.

A live transmission from Surif village, where Ayah Barad'iyya was drowned by her uncle in April 2010, showed thousands of residents applauding the decision. Many also burst into tears.

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=387466
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-11 08:21 AM
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13. The President can just do this by decree?
He can just "order a legal amendment" and it becomes law?

Do they not have checks and balances?
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 01:19 PM
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14. so you would prefer women's rights in the West Bank checked?
your concerns are noted however if you read your own OP this has been in the works for 2 years and as of yet no one has complained
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 04:18 PM
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15. Bizarre response
Edited on Mon May-16-11 04:19 PM by oberliner
I was asking about how the legal system works there.

Can Abbas simply decree a law or is there some sort of formal process? Does the legislature vote on it? How does it work?

It is not clear.
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 08:16 AM
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16. one would think that a liberal such as yourself would cheer women
finally being given protection from the brutal practice of 'honor' killing

but your 'concern' for democracy truly warms the 'cockles' it does
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 08:56 AM
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17. Another bizarre non-sequitor response
No idea what you are talking about and why concern and cockles are in quotation marks.

Can the President of the PA decree something and it becomes law?

That is the question I am asking.

Simple question, if you don't know the answer, that's fine. Maybe someone else does.
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 12:44 PM
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18. the responce was hardly 'bizarre' but your 'questions' are quite understanable
in some cases such as this one where-in Abbas promised the UN that changes would be made to the honor killing law then yes it can be done by decree
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 02:27 PM
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19. Makes no sense to me
I have no idea what they have to do with anything that I've asked.

Thanks, though, for sharing the info about decrees.
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