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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 02:43 PM
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Israel’s thought police losing clout?
In the “the Land of the Free,” you can criticize any country you like on the planet. Feel free to condemn and even ridicule leaderships, be as scathing as you like about any state's foreign policy — with one important exception. You already know what that is.

Israel is off limits. Pointing out Israel's flaws is taboo, the red line that no politician, writer or academic must ever cross. No matter what their life-long achievements, they are publicly branded as anti-Semites or self-hating Jews and risk losing their reputations.

Those who step out of the box to express any negative opinion about the doings of the Jewish state become a target of the pro-Israel lobby and they either choose to retract their views or kiss goodbye to their careers. The strange thing is most ordinary Americans, who would normally guard their right of free speech like lions, often support such victimization...but that trend may be subtly changing.

The latest in a long line of Israel's targets is the 54-year-old Pulitzer Prize-winning playwright Tony Kushner who was being considered for an honorary degree from the City University of New York (CUNY) until one of the university's Board of Trustees Jeffrey Wiesenfeld objected saying Kushner had accused Israel of the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians and was guilty of incitement against Israel. He said he would approve the honor if Kushner was prepared to retract all his anti-Israel statements; in other words, sell his soul for a piece of paper he could frame and hang on the wall.

http://arabnews.com/opinion/columns/article391074.ece
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 02:46 PM
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1. I'm not familiar with the Thought Police.
Oh, wait, yes I am. :(
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 03:01 PM
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2. The thought police couldn't stop this either:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmCcTSyowhY">Daughter of Mossad Chief: I Refuse to Enlist in the Israeli Military

- Slowly, but surely, it will all unravel -- and the truth will out......
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 03:59 PM
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3. Why would you think a group of Secular leadership of a nation.
And the Jewish people would be the same thing?

That is an Orwellian concept, where sometimes people take the name of something else to try and use that tower or that legitimacy that is in the name.

If the leadership is part of the Jewish people it should be clear in there actions, not some name of a nation, or some group of secular leaders of that nation.


However how do you interpret what it is to be Jewish, and how would they, that is most of it.


"Is Real"

Honestly the temple turned inward on its own people many years ago, the reason for the sadness, in my view, when seeing a poor women give her last 2 cents to the temple, when the Administrators of that temple swore oaths to Caesar, and were doing kick backs and deals for there own wealth in the money changing and selection of animals used in the temple. Any consolidation will look for more areas to take wealth from, if it is not helping the poorest as most Jewish people are taught.

But anyways, the ideas of laws and caring for those in hardship was suppose to travel outward, and it also is part of many cultures, so had been traveling outward from the beginning in my view anyways.

But some just think how they interpret what was said 1000s of years ago is all that matters, in that they think God stopped showing himself 1000s of years ago. To attach yourself completely to any old document without some of the better ideas of finding what is better in many things today, is like saying God is gone, or no longer working in the world. Maybe some think there is not an 8th day of work after the day of rest, shrug.

But anyways, figure they get some things right, some things wrong, like any other person.

And honestly, "She can't take you any way you don't already know how to go" That is also about interpretation.


Loreena McKennitt- Beneath a Phrygian Sky
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siXe7bKt1q0
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 05:30 PM
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4. Here is the question.
And it is the question that is the core of most beliefs.

Is the world as it should be.

Or

Is the world in a state of improvement.



If you believe the world is already perfect, and everything is as it should be, then you have the idea that any rebellion is bad, and you are not able to see a problem in society as the actual rebellion, and replacing that problem as the correction to that rebellion. If you think the world is perfect, then any system that has power is thought to be correct. Only becuase it has power.



Honestly the core problem in many beliefs not being able to think the same is the question, "Is the world perfect" or "does it need any actions of improvement from any person or group"


Those that coast along, without ever trying to make things better, are the group that think nothing ever has to be done, the no reason to fight group.

It is one view of this song, although I think the group was being educational.

Burnin' For You - Blue Oyster Cult
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bo2Aypi0R2c

I think the education in that song, does much good to help people learn.




Note there should be more words for fight, since it does not have to mean violence or adding hardship. Ghandi fought without fighting. So I like the word stand, or resist wrong, and advocate for what is better, and neither of those are coasting.

Also the idea of "a more perfect union" is the idea that the world can, and should be improved on. The difference from some with concepts of royalty that believe everything is how it should be.



As another example, In the civil war in the USA, I think the South was the status quo that was in rebellion, and the North was the part going against that status quo.

There is a huge problem of people thinking any system is correct and can not be improved. And a problem with thinking any system is suppose to be the way it is.

It goes back to the idea of anything with power must be correct, some use only power as a judgement of right and wrong. If you can do it, then it is correct, or if you have any power, then that power justifies you.

Power must also show better ideas, and even better results, although many results are not immediately seen.

But the idea that anything of power is correct, creates many problems, it is the idea of might makes right, and is in many things.

The alternate to that is the idea that there are many types of might, and sometimes what looks like the weaker, with thinking and feeling is the better idea, and should be helped to make things better over many years.

Could type for years on the topic, but basically you help people up, you don't 'give up' you give down. The idea of helping those below you, not trying to help people above you hoping they will reciprocate.

If you are in a group that helps those above you, those above you probably do the same thing, and eventually there is a wide division between people, and everything consolidated at the top.

If you help those below you up, then you always help someone up, and sometimes give some to do that, and break up a consolidation. That way everyone moves up together, and the strife caused by consolidations is much less during that improvement.

So don't give up, give down.




I also site any improvement in the world as proof the world was not perfect, and any person that thought at that time that the world was already perfect was wrong. So those today that think that, are probably wrong also. In that any change is better, then no change. However people should find change that makes things better. Although that argument makes it difficult to ever be 'satisfied' however in existence you need a goal and a purpose, so it makes sense that the world would never be perfect, but can always be improved, and there always being something that can be improved is a perfect form.

And I am due beer and travel money and many experiences.
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