Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

When is Palestine's Arab Revolution?

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Israel/Palestine Donate to DU
 
Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 02:02 PM
Original message
When is Palestine's Arab Revolution?
Although Palestine seems absent from the Arab Spring, the unjust occupation was the straw that broke the camel's back.

Larbi Sadiki Last Modified: 25 Jul 2011 13:25

'Parity of esteem' is the name of the game - and finding a way to overcome inter-communal conflict matters. It matters because the Arab state has failed three basic tests: provision of security, provision of welfare, and distribution of power.

However, as the literati carry on unpacking the still-unfolding Arab revolution, one dimension is missing from this ongoing investigation which must be highlighted: The Palestinian corollary.

The Arab revolution, the phenomenon, the puzzle

Observers have been hasty in dismissing Palestine from the Arab revolution. I argue here that it was one of many dynamics, definitely one of the final straws that broke the back of an already heavily weighed down camel.

Two betes noires of international politics loomed large, by negation and denial, in much of the early diagnosis of the Arab revolution.

Islamists and the Palestinian cause were written off as inconsequential in the Arab revolution. The first is of issue to secularists, Westernisers and many Westerners. The second is of concern for those concerned about the Arab revolution's implications for Israel.

remainder: http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/07/201172175243269488.html
Refresh | 0 Recommendations Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 08:39 PM
Response to Original message
1. It would help them immensely if they overthrew Hamas - they do need their own Arab Spring. nt
Edited on Wed Jul-27-11 08:39 PM by hack89
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 03:42 AM
Response to Reply #1
2. They would be much more likely to do that if the Israeli government didn't keep demanding they do it
You'd think that Bibi would realize that the worst way to get Palestinians to do something would be for him or his cabinet or their apologists to keep screaming that they do it.

If Bibi and the "pro-Israeli" posters here really wanted to see things change in the Palestinian leadership, they would accept that it's up to the Palestinians themselves to determine who their leaders should be.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 06:42 AM
Response to Reply #2
3. When there are elections in the West Bank but not in Gaza
I think it will be very clear to the Palestinians what they need to do.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 03:28 PM
Response to Reply #3
4. Good point.
It serves no purpose, in the meantime, for Bibi and Co. to keep making these pompous, sanctimonious demands, demands based on an assumption that the Israeli government is intrinsically morally superior to Palestinians when it clearly no longer is.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 04:26 PM
Response to Reply #4
5. They are clearly morally superior to Hamas
Hamas is a terrorist group.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 04:38 PM
Response to Reply #5
6. You could say that of a lot of the settlers.
And the larger point is, the Israeli side isn't entitled to act as if the whole thing is the Palestinians' fault and would just end if only the Palestinians were nicer about things. It wouldn't, because the settler movement and the Occupation have done as much harm, if not more, to Palestinians, as any amount of what gets called terrorism has done to Israelis.

It serves no purpose for the Israelis to keep screaming "we're better than you, we're better than you".
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 05:02 PM
Response to Reply #6
7. When the settlers start bombing buses and pizza parlors, let me know. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 12:11 AM
Response to Reply #7
8. A lot of them aren't far from it.
Neither side has moral superiority and it's pointless to try to assert it. The only way to end this conflict is to acknowledge that both sides have grievances, both have suffered in significant measure, and that both need to respect and listen to each other.

It can't be about being able to say "we won and they lost".
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 06:59 AM
Response to Reply #8
9. Hamas need to stop shooting rockets - only then can talks happen.
Don't care what happened in the past - if they are shooting rockets then then they are not serious about peace. Perhaps they should be the adults in room and make the first step.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Fri May 03rd 2024, 06:37 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Israel/Palestine Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC