Ahmadinejad: Iran is determined to eradicate Israel

I'm sure the usual apologists will explain that this is just a "mistranslation", and of course has no relation to the current offensive by Iranian-paid mercenaries in Gaza.

Isn't there a difference between destroying a regime and destroying a country? :shrug:

I think many in the world would like to nutty yahoo and his band of idiots taken out of power.

between political groups in Israel. When he speaks of regime, he isn't simply referring to Netanyahu.

difference. Meanwhile, in the real world, there is definitely a difference.

This is mere silliness.

He really said 'I want to come to Tel Aviv on Rosh Hashanah and hopefully attend Tel Aviv Gay Pride '

no matter who is in charge in Israel. He was around before Bibi was PM, and said the same things.

He and the Mullahs in Iran want to see the destruction of Israel, not a 'regime change'

Explain the difference between a Zionist regime, that is a Jewish majority state, and Israel, a Jewish majority state? They are the same thing. A regime is a government of a particular person or party. Zionism is a particular national ideal. Ahmendinijad is deliberately playing language games. Why are you so interested in playing along?

nt

So if a politician in Israel or America talks about wanting to "eradicate the Iranian regime" did it mean they wanted the government to topple, or that they wanted to physically destroy the state?

When people talked about the "end of the Soviet regime," did it mean that they wanted to kill all the Russians?

the people of israel actually support its various governments over the years, as one finds with democracies.....hence talk of "eradicating the israeli govt is the same as eradicating the society that supports its govt...which is called israel. (which many obviously would like to see)

your parallel would be calling for eradicting the US govt and all its branches


the concept of the "useful idiot" lives on

The majority of Iranians (not counting the Marxists in the country) support their government. The Establishment of the Islamic Republic was a popular movement. Hence talking about eradicating the government of Iran is the same as eradicating the society that supports the government...which is called Iran.

If I don't like the Obama regime, does it mean that I want to eradicate America or the people that support him? If one wants to see the American government removed from power because of its policies, it doesn't imply that America shouldn't exist.

It's not like he is advocating for one leader over another (as in your Obama example).

Regardless of who is PM and which party is in power, he uses the same term (Zionist Regime) to describe Israel.

whereas the Iranians supported getting rid of the shah..once dear khomeni took power, he promptly killed off (literally) his allies that didn't agree with his version of theocratic dictatorship.

and since then, his popular movement has not been so popular in cased you missed the news and they are clinging to power via the power of the gun.
but thats for general knowledge.


Again, (why do i have to explain such obvious things?). Getting rid of obama is not getting rid of the US govt. Getting rid of Natanyhu is not getting rid of israel. Removing the "zoinist regime" is getting rid of israel, its character. Israel is defined by it zionism (among other aspects) as america is defined by its democracy.

if you want to remove americans democracy, you are in fact destroying its present character and its society....thats the parallel.

besides, is only those with agendas that don't really get how the term "zionist entity/regime, etc is used by the iranian govt, and what they mean. At first it was just "mistranslations, or they were trying to deflect their problems, after about a zillion times repeating it in various fashions including holocaust denial to stealing Palestinians eyes, most figured it out....

some never will

is Iran capable of this? is even a nuclear armed Iran of a possible future capable of this, at least with out bringing the same down on itself? will we now retreat to 'death-wish suicide Muslim mindset, we all know the philosophy that says they don't share our cultural values, they are so different from us, which really means they don't value life as much as we do there for killing them isn't like killing a regular human being

but those of us familiar with the territory know Ahmadinejad trots this out regularly along with Holocaust denial, allowing the "useful idiot's" of the other to moan and cry and cloak themselves in noble even liberal victim-hood, when in reality Ahmadinejad is all talk, Iran has not the capability or will to do this, however a presently nuclear armed country could indeed destroy Iran and its regime, but will not

In the end it is all political posturing and noise with the "useful idiot's" of both sides playing their proper roles

From the real powers in Iran .

It is not a benign threat.

Easy for you to ignore it , Israel would be
stupid and suicidal to.

I believe history has taught us to take this threat
seriously .

but so far you are making my point quite well, care to continue?

once they get their bombs...all they have to do is give a few to hizballa, or hamas or friends.....the repercussions on iran are zero, whether or not one believes they did it. there will be no immediate "smoking trail"..and even if one is found later, nobody will be nuking iran as retribution 6 months later.

the concept of "we didn't know' we didn't believe them........those words were said in the past around the 1940's......its really stupid to threaten your jewish neighbor with fire when that neighbor was already burned.....and has already fought off attacks that were clearly attempts to destroy the country.

....there is no reason for us to pretend their threats aren't serious, nor do we have to decipher their internal politics to attempt to figure out if they mean it or not......
its not up to us, to take the risk, its up to them to stop the threats.

yes Hamas or Hezbollah could suddenly come up with nukes and no one would ever guess where they came from rrrright, except that we hear every other day at least how Iran is supplying both entities, which also leads us back to that suicide Muslim mind set and how their values ie humanity just aren't the same as ours, because it would be suicide on any number of levels both in the execution of the predicted act and in the retaliation for the act

and guess what it's not the 1940's anymore and Hitler is long gone Ahmadinejad is not replacing him anywhere except on fox news and a few right wing imaginary's who love to pump up fear when it suits their political ends

Iran's 'threats are not real because Iran has no way of carrying them out and if in a possible future it did it would be national suicide which once again brings us back to that suicide Muslim mindset which in the long run has become IMO the premise that makes killing them not so bad for some eh?

oh...I hadn't realize that you actually know whats happening in iran and that Ahmadinejad is really a comedian.....does he know this? and is he being funny?

i hadn't realized that its so difficult to but a bomb on a ship sail it to the Mediterranean and blow it up across from israel....all it would take would be a small suicidal crew, which after a zillion suicide bombers across the globe shouldn't be that hard to develop and train (or are you going to tell me they really weren't muslims suicide bombers but really jews in a "black ops operation).


as far Ahmadinejad not replacing hitler?....really?...so now you can read the future?, i'm impressed. I'll bet you those german jews of 1940 said the same exact thing: hey, were in germany, not russia and its the 20th century not the 19th century....oops

Perhaps the attacking arabs of 48 didn't really mean it either...after all its 1948 not the early part of the 1940's
Of course Nassar also didn't have any evil intentions either...guess what its was in the 1960's...thats over 20 years from the 1940's...

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Though i am impressed with your ability to actually know what is irans technical capabilities are, does the CIA know you have this ability? as far as the muslim suicide mindset.....guess you've been missing the news for the last 20 years, or at least covering your ears when there is a description of the suicide bomber.....
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the point is, we don't have to second guess the iranians...its is they who are making the threats and it is they who might have to pay for such threats. Its bad policy to threaten to wipe out a nation, nor is it very smart.

does Iran currently have nukes? not that anyone including CIA IAEA Mossad is saying they do are they that unknowing? what are we to believe that Iran is what saving it up? Stuxnet and assassinations was that unsuccessful?

If so why hasn't Israel taken pre-emptive action? Israel does have nukes, what's the wait, if its such a sure thing?

as to Iran becoming the next Wehrmacht, Fox News loves that stuff

But thanks for confirming what I've been saying as to what the real meaning behind all of 'cultural' crap about Muslims

But thanks for confirming what I've been saying as to what the real meaning behind all of 'cultural' crap about Muslims

yes i do believe that cultures are different...and different means different values....and those values may be good or bad, less violent or more violent, furthermore those values can and do change in time:

The Japanese once had a sub culture of suicide bombers in WWII, no longer, there germans had a rather violent racist culture for a period, etc. The statistics show that most suicide bombers today are muslims. I realize that you don't like those simple facts....but there is a difference between not liking and not accepting.

which comes to the most interesting question, that you will probably avoid:
do you dispute the fact that most suicide bombers in the last 20 years are muslims? (at least in israel, many have a habit of yelling "allah akabar" before striking).

feel free to add some sort of "its not their fault, its the economy, etc if you would like, (but avoid at all costs any comparison to non muslims and non muslim countries).
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does Iran currently have nukes? not that anyone including CIA IAEA Mossad is saying they do are they that unknowing?
so you believe Military Intelligence, etc as being all knowing?...wow i'm impressed. i guess they are either super smart or the iranians are really stupid for being so easy to be exposed. Shall i list the times the various agencies were wrong? or is this another one of those things that you would prefer not to know about?

funny how ones ideology and political viewpoint tends to affect the way one sees information:
you don't want to believe the iranians have nukes and that their threats are nothing, so in order to back up your belief you now trust the intelligent agencies and claim the iranian govt is just "talking." Yet i would bet on different treads, you probably distrust those same intelligence agency reports and believe press releases coming out of govts are "real."


and just for fun...the IAEI was already wrong about irans nuclear capabilities and intentions, at least publicly they were, maybe its an agenda thing (i guess that too you would rather not know about).

It meant I did not understand what you said.

Toppling the Soviet regime meant destroying the government and rebuilding it in an entirely different manner. Of course they don't want to destroy the physical state. They want to destroy the concept of Israel as a Jewish democratic state. This could mean several different things... merely ethnically cleansing all of the Jews from the area. Maybe letting some stay under a muslim theocracy. Maybe taking over entirely themselves. Whu knows?

What it definitely means is the dissolution of Israel as an independent/Jewish state. Think about the Allies talking about eradicating the Nazi Regime... they mean it in that way. Utterly obliterating Zionism entirely. Destroying the entire culture, government, demography, etc.

I think Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. said it best:

". . . You declare, my friend, that you do not hate the Jews, you are merely 'anti-Zionist.' And I say, let the truth ring forth from the high mountain tops, let it echo through the valleys of God's green earth: When people criticize Zionism, they mean Jews--this is God's own truth.

"...So know also this: anti-Zionist is inherently antisemitic, and ever will be so. Why is this? You know that Zionism is nothing less than the dream and ideal of the Jewish people returning to live in their own land. The Jewish people...once enjoyed a flourishing Commonwealth in the Holy Land. From this they were expelled by the Roman tyrants...Driven from their homeland, their nation in ashes, forced to wander the globe, the Jewish people time and again suffered the lash of whichever tyrant happened to rule over them.

"...How easy it should be, for anyone who holds dear this inalienable right of all mankind, to understand and support the right of the Jewish People to live in their ancient Land of Israel. All men of good will exult in the fulfilment of God's promise, that his People should return in joy to rebuild their plundered land. This is Zionism, nothing more, nothing less.

"And what is anti-Zionist? It is the denial to the Jewish people of a fundamental right that we justly claim for the people of Africa and freely accord all other nations of the Globe. It is discrimination against Jews, my friend, because they are Jews. In short, it is antisemitism."

IS The Jewish People , So BS !

Moving on.

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What you said was "Potentially stupid question".

I'm not going to argue about that! :+

Ahmadinejad is not necessarily recommending bombing Israel out of physical existence, but he is certainly recommending its conquest. With, no doubt, considerable bloodshed.

That doesn't mean that he's going to engineer all this; but there's no doubt that he hates Israel and/or is under the thumb of people who do. His former vice president Mashaei got into a lot of trouble for daring to suggest that Israelis are not all to be hated.

Zionist isn't a political party or a government. It means the Jewish state of Israel. "Zionist Regime" is just a ruse to fool the ignorant or those wanting to be fooled.

he's saying to eradicate the REGIME, NOT Israel, despite the source's insertion of the word "Israel" in parentheses, suggesting they mean the same thing, which they do not.

Still, they are troublesome comments deserving condemnation, but they do not go to the extreme as his prior comments have gone.

Further, it's ironic that you imply that those who raise concerns are merely quibbling about semantics when the more extreme right of Israel's proponents refuse to recognize a people known as Palestinians.

And I say that as someone who is pro-Israel.

He isn't talking about the Netanyahu government as he has used "The Zionist Regime" to refer to prior governments as well. That phrase (or "The Regime Occupying Al Quds" or other variations therein) is used by Iran and some others who do not recognize Israel as a country (and therefore do not use the actual name).

He has talked about destroying Israel, he has talked about this repeatedly since coming to power.

I used to believe that only rwers engaged in willful ignorance but I was wrong.

Both?

nt

And I don't approve of the right-wing Israelis who won't recognize Palestinians either. The one doesn't justify the other,

Though I have thought for a long time that many Israelis and their supporters were obsessing with Iranian rhetoric when they should have been more worried about what would happen to Israeli-Egyptian relations after the octogenarian Mubarak retired or died and was replaced by someone who might or might not continue the treaty. Now that moment of truth has arrived - only slightly accelerated from what would have happened anyway - and I hope that both sides act reasonably about it! There is far more danger of war between the immediate neighbours than of Iran 'wiping Israel off the map', however much Ahmadinejad may enjoy talking about it.

hot air on his part.

and the nuclear weapons program that they've spent so much on despite the diplomatic cost isn't just for show either.

:eyes: (This forum is misnamed. Which, in itself, is perhaps the point.)

Since you're back again, let me ask you directly before you're "done" again:
do you really doubt that he means just what he says?

misleading.

And with that, I'm done. Really. I mean it this time.

Ahmadinejad: Quds Day calls for justice

“The Quds Day is the day of all those who seek justice and freedom and oppose oppression,” Ahmadinejad said in an Iftar banquet for the ambassadors of Muslim countries in the capital Tehran on Thursday.

“I hope that this year's Quds Day could be a starting point for the complete liberation of Palestinian territories, the return of refugees, and formation of a powerful Palestinian government, and also for an end to the demolition of injustice in the world,” the Iranian president added.

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http://www.presstv.ir/detail/195815.html


'Israel existence insults human dignity'

Speaking on the International Quds Day in the Iranian capital of Tehran on Friday, President Ahmadinejad said the Tel Aviv regime has been created all out of deceit and falsehood.

The Iranian chief executive added that this comes as raising questions about the philosophy of Israel's creation carries a punishment of prison sentence in Europe in order to silence the vocal opponents.

“In the United States and Europe, political figures can be criticized under the right to freedom of expression. Nevertheless, it is considered an unforgivable sin should someone question the creation of the Zionist regime. He will be confronted in the most bizarre manner,” he pointed out.

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http://www.presstv.ir/detail/195852.html


'Quds Day rejects compromise on Israel'
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/195837.html

'Occupiers must leave Muslim lands'
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/195902.html

Quds Day resolution wants end of Israel
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/195921.html#


'Zionists’ survival contrasts human dignity'

Delivering his Friday prayers congregation pre-sermon address, President Ahmadinejad said Zionist regime’s existence is not merely a threat to the Palestinian and the entire regional nations, rather its establishment and continued survival contrast interests, independence and dignity of all regional nations.

He said the prelude to establishment of the regime was lies and deception. “One of the big lies is the Holocaust fable.”

http://english.iribnews.ir/NewsBody.aspx?ID=15167

Iran as an excuse for no Palestinian state a forever occupation? well as they say any port in strom