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vminfla Donating Member (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-11 11:36 AM
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Soldier ‘Kidnapped’ in Massive IDF Exercise
The Israeli army is staging a wide-scale exercise Sunday to test its ability to thwart a kidnapping attempt by terrorists.

The exercise is taking place in the wake of boasts by Hamas, Islamic Jihad and other terrorist organizations that they will kidnap soldiers as bartering tools to win the release of terrorists and prisoners serving time in Israeli jails.

Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas joined Hamas last month in stating that kidnapping and holding Sergeant Gilad Shalit as hostage for more than five years was “successful" because it brought about the release of the first batch of 1,027 terrorists to be freed by Israel. Nearly 500 were released in the first stage of the agreement, and the others are to be set free next month.


http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/149682


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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-11 11:38 AM
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1. "Kidnapped soldier", "released terrorists" - politically and emotionally loaded terms. Propaganda.
Crude and transparent propaganda.
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vminfla Donating Member (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-11 01:44 PM
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2. No propaganda, merely statement of facts.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-11 04:44 PM
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3. Then, words have no meaning, intentional or not.
There is no "just the facts, ma'am" on some subjects. You know that.
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vminfla Donating Member (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-11 08:57 AM
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4. Shalit was kidnapped and held against his will, the terrorists were lawfully convicted
Words do have meanings. Shalit was forcibly taken from within the borders of Israel and held for ransom.

The killers were lawfully convicted on terrorism charges.

See, words have meanings.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-11 11:30 AM
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5. That assumes the legitimacy of the institutions involved. Otherwise, you have to agree with German
legal philosophers such as Karl Schmidt that the law is legitimate, per se, and that law is actually nothing more than applied power. Q.E.D. - Power, no matter how it wielded by the head of state, is legitimate.

I wouldn't agree with that perspective on the "lawfully convicted" distinction. Same goes for the operative definition of "terrorism charges." That's also a political term - just ask the British about Menachem Begin's role in the blowing up of the King David Hotel in 1946.
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-11 11:56 AM
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6. In other words "might makes right".
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-11 12:13 PM
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7. Yup. That's the way the game seems to be actually played.
Edited on Mon Nov-14-11 12:14 PM by leveymg
But, not in my book.
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vminfla Donating Member (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 10:00 PM
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22. In other words, one is a legitimate state, the other is a faltering tyranny
but thanks for playing.
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vminfla Donating Member (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-11 02:31 PM
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9. Got it! Israel does not have the right to exist
How silly of me to make the assumption that a valid UN member, the only progressive government in the Middle East, has any right to exist. How dare they have the audacity to detain killers and terrorists.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-11 05:52 PM
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vminfla Donating Member (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-11 07:31 PM
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14. Then explain to me how Israel does not have a legitimate right to defend itself from terrorists?
How is the incarceration of killers illegitimate?

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Shaktimaan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-11 01:45 AM
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20. well,
were ALL of them terrorists?
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Mosby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-11 01:30 PM
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8. I'm not buying your bullshit disinformation
I can only imagine what someone passing through DU must think when they see posts like yours.

:puke:
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-11 03:06 PM
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10. Interesting post because someone "merely passing though DU"
shouldn't be able to find this forum too easily unless of course they were looking for it.......
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Mosby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-11 03:28 PM
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11. Please.
Most non-members find their way to DU via Google (per Alexa) so they would be looking for a specific topic, regardless what folder it might be in. Further it's not like the IP forum is hidden, after all there are now 363,833 posts in this forum making it one of the largest sub-forums at DU.
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-11 05:10 PM
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12. log out and go look at the title page 34 topic forums are listed this one is not
Edited on Mon Nov-14-11 05:10 PM by azurnoir
unless of course people would be looking for this forum for a specific reason'
As for myself I found out about DU from another blog source and it had to do with the Democratic party and elections nothing about I/P
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King_David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-11 10:05 PM
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15. So What?
LOL

What exactly is your point ?

:wtf:
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 12:18 AM
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16. what's yours?
my reply was in answer to another posters comment about what someone "merely passing though DU" might think of the comments in I/P
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 07:52 AM
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17. I can only imagine what they think when they see articles from Arutz Sheva...
I'm not sure why the post yr replying to is worthy of a pukey icon while the idea of Arutz Sheva being treated as a respectable source here passes without any comment...
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Mosby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 03:24 PM
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18. I don't read arutz sheva much
But I don't think they are more or less respectable than aljazeera or ma'an. None of the news sites I just listed are "left leaning" and I don't think sources used at DU should have to pass some sort of progressive purity test.
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 04:58 PM
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19. Clearly you don't read it much...
Edited on Tue Nov-15-11 04:58 PM by Violet_Crumble
See, the difference between Arutz Sheva and the sources you mentioned, is that Artuz Sheva peddles extreme bigotry towards Arabs and Muslims. If you haven't read it much and just happened to not spot any of them, I can hold my nose and go find a few examples for you. It's not that difficult seeing as how they're a regular occurrence. Just say the word.

I don't think that sources used at DU should have to pass some sort of progressive purity test, however I do believe that sources that promote hatred and bigotry shouldn't be allowed...
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vminfla Donating Member (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-11 09:06 PM
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23. Your imagination is getting the best of you
You are used to the apologist tone of Haaretz, wherein every confirmed terrorist who suffers the smallest boo boo, is a victim of Israeli aggresssion.
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vminfla Donating Member (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 08:59 AM
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21. IDF to 'Kidnap' Soldiers Once a Month
A month after abducted soldier Gilad Shalit was released and amid fears that terrorists are planning further kidnappings, the IDF is planning to increase the frequency of its exercises and stage the kidnapping of a soldier once a month.

According to a report on the IDF website on Tuesday, the monthly “kidnapping exercises” will begin next month, and the military is also considering distributing tear gas to male soldiers so they can resist a kidnapping attempt. Presently, only female soldiers are given tear gas.

“There are quite a few warnings about it, and after the release of Gilad Shalit, the various terrorist organizations announced that they will increase their attempts to kidnap a soldier,” Brigadier-General Meir Ohana, Commander of the Military Police Corps, told the IDF website.

Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas joined Hamas last month in stating that kidnapping and holding Shalit as hostage for more than five years was “successful" because it brought about the release of the first batch of 1,027 terrorists to be freed by Israel. Nearly 500 were released in the first stage of the agreement, and the others are to be set freed next month.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/150021
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