Parents of woman killed by Israeli bulldozer call for peace in Middle East

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2003/11/28/271465-cp.html

VANCOUVER (CP) - Speaking through tears, the mother of an American woman crushed by an Israeli army bulldozer in the Gaza Strip this year remembered her daughter's first phone call home from the occupied territory.

"When she called the first time we could hear the trembling in her voice as she said to us, 'Do you hear that?' " Cindy Corrie told reporters Friday in Vancouver. "We could hear over the telephone the shelling that happens every night in Rafah coming from the border."

Her parents have travelled the world since her death, pressing for peace in the Isreali-Palestinian conflict in an effort to pick up where their daughter left off.

Cindy Corrie said she believes that the Israeli occupation must end in order to have any hope of peace.

The Corries are still pressing for a U.S. investigation in their daughter's death, but the young woman's mother said she doesn't want to cause more anguish.

a video of the Corrie parents and others speaking on the situation in the occupied territories, which I believe is worth watching ... I will try to find the link for that

I forgot I was going to look for the video link. I'll look for it soon.

http://www.workingtv.com/29nov03.html

Webcast from November 29, 2003 International Day of Solidarity With Palestine event in Vancouver, with parents of Rachel Corrie

The Canada Palestine Association and ISM Vancouver hosted an evening of solidarity with the Palestinian People on Saturday November 29 at the Maritime Labour Centre in Vancouver. Guest speakers included Cindy and Craig Corrie, parents of slain 23 year-old American peace activist Rachel Corrie.

Rachel was an ISM ( International Solidarity Movement ) volunteer in Palestine when an Israeli soldier drove a bulldozer over her. She had been standing in front of a Palestinian home in Rafa, to protect it from demolition.

Cindy Corrie part 1:
http://www.workingtv.com/media11/mom1.rm (Real Player)
http://www.workingtv.com/media11/mom1.wmv (Windows Media)

Cindy Corrie part 2:
http://www.workingtv.com/media11/mom2.rm (Real Player)
http://www.workingtv.com/media11/mom2.wmv (Windows Media)

What a brave soul!

"kick"

she is a mother whose daughter was murdered in cold blood by the IDF

She had committed "suicide by bulldozer" as deliberately as her Palestinian buddies with their body bombs.

It's a tactic used before. It was used because she knew that being an American gave her more right to live than the Palestinians.

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one could argue that Israeli citizens have committed "suicide by bus-riding"

She stood in the path of the bulldozer, arms crossed and ignored warnings.

If the pro-Arab people on this forum don't see a difference in the dangers one assumes when one wishes to be a martyr vs. the simple act of utilizing public transportation, this forum is a complete waste of time.

that justifies the comparison.

You want to blame Rachel for being murdered? Fine, then blame every victim of a senseless murder.

The point is that Rachel didn't deserve to be bulldozed to death, just like bus-riders don't deserve to be bombed out.

In fact I just did before I read the rest of the thread. It's exactly the same sort of logic, and interesting to notice that those who'd resort to it when indulging in their attacks on Rachel Corrie would be the ones squealing the loudest if it were turned back on them and their logic is used to argue Israelis commit 'suicide by bus'


Violet...

..when I agreed to stand in front of bulldozers that were in the process of destroying Tasmanian wilderness areas. I thought I was agreeing to participate in a protest, not a mass attempted suicide. See, the thing is with Rachel Corrie, that yr so intent on blaming the victim that you totally ignore the fact that a soldier driving a bulldozer has obligations, and one of those is a respect for human life. You seem to believe that if he hops in the cabin, warns someone in front of him to move, and then if she doesn't, he's quite correct in running her down, it's all her fault. That's complete nonsense. How long before we see this bullshit applied to victims of suicide bombings? After all it's the same logic if someone were to say someone who was killed in a bombing on a bus committed 'suicide by bus' because they chose to ride the bus after being warned of the danger....

Blaming the victim really sucks. You should try and refrain from doing it because it's pretty sickening...


Violet...

Rachel's killer never gave a warning for her to move.

He just ran her over.

:eyes:

deliberate, pre-arranged murder by bulldozer.

Got any proof of that?

Violet...

The International Solidarity Movement supports terrorism

The International Solidarity Movement (ISM) has harbored known terrorists and openly advocated violence and the destruction of Israel. ISM spokesman Raphael Cohen was asked at a May 2003 press conference to define “occupation.” His response: “The Zionist presence in Palestine” (David Bedein. "Support unit for terror," Jerusalem Post, June 25, 2003).
When asked to express his view of peace, he answered, “a one state solution,” by which he meant the creation of a Palestinian state in place of Israel.
On ISM's web site, the Internet directory is called “traveltopalestine.” Their site also located Ben Gurion Airport in “Palestine.” It includes an information packet for volunteers that features a country guide to “Palestine.” The guide lists the landmass of “Palestine” as “26,323 km2 = 10,162 miles2” – the size of the entire State of Israel, plus the West Bank and Gaza. The country guide describes the geographic boundaries of “Palestine” as extending from Jordan to the Mediterranean Sea, and from Lebanon to Aqaba; that is, again incorporating all of Israel.
The ISM does not hide its incitement to violence. Its web site states that it recognizes “the Palestinian right to resist Israeli violence and occupation via legitimate armed struggle.” Cohen admits that, on April 25, 2003, he hosted a group of 15 people at his apartment. Included in that group were Asif Mohammad Hanif and Omar Khan Sharif, British nationals. They subsequently participated in various activities planned by the ISM. Five days later, the two carried out a suicide bombing in a popular pub next to the American Embassy in Tel Aviv that is frequented by Embassy personnel. Hanif and Sharif entered Israel under the guise of “peace activists” and “alternative tourism” – perhaps a reference to the ISM-precursor “Alternative Tourist Group” (Andrew Friedman, "The ‘Neutral’ Partisans," The Review, July 2003). ISM denies responsibility for the actions of the British bombers

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At Rutgers in the spring of 2003, the New Jersey Solidarity Movement hung a large banner painted in Palestinian colors in the Student Center that read "From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be Free." This is a Hamas slogan popular both among Palestinians and within the ISM. The poetry of the Hamas slogan may come out as mere doggerel in English translation, but the Movement's intention of destroying Israel is made clear, as is -- for those who know that this is a Hamas slogan -- the implied endorsement of the Hamas program.
…
In a widely publicized incident that made many doubt the ISM's claims that it does not collaborate with terrorists, Susan Barclay, an ISM organizer later deported by Israel, attempted to hide Islamic Jihad terrorist Shadi Sukiya in the ISM office in Jenin while the IDF searched the building for him. An ISM spokesman claimed that Barclay had no way of knowing who the man was -- although that would hardly justify her attempt to prevent a search of the ISM offices by an officer of the law who was searching for an identified terrorist. The spokesman went on to say that he was not certain how he would behave if he were himself given the opportunity to shelter a known terrorist from the police.
Tom Wallace, 43, who has traveled from Boston to work as the ISM's spokesperson in Jenin, says the ISMers in Jenin had no idea who Sukiya was when they took him in that morning, and that they were only trying to help a man in distress. And if, in the future, someone who the ISM knows to be a terrorist shows up at the office door requesting assistance? "He's still someone who's hurt and needs help," Tom says, adding that ISM members in Jenin are now debating this very question. "Honestly, I don't know the answer." One year earlier, ISM volunteers went to great lengths to enter the Arafat compound for the purpose of acting as human shields for Arafat and for the terrorists that the ISM volunteer writing this journal entry proudly refers to as the "Ze'evi Five" in honor of the Israeli Cabinet minister whom they murdered.
Here Tamara, a 25-year-old mother from the Los Angeles area who belongs to "Los Angeles Jews for a Just Peace" and who traveled to Israel to work as an ISM volunteer, reports on a lecture from a "calm, well-spoken" Hamas representative who told the audience of International Solidarity Movement volunteers that he does not endorse suicide bombings: “We had the chance to meet with, Dr. Ghazi Hamed Hamed, a representative from Hamas. He is by far one of the most interesting and surprising people I have met here. Calm, well spoken, and very upfront. He spoke frankly, and gave us a picture of Hamas that we would never imagine in the West. He told is about the organizing they do for those in need, the construction of schools and social service organizations. They also have a women's group, "some people misunderstand us. We do not discriminate against women and there is nothing to prevent them from being leaders." He also said that although he supports the Palestinian right (as detailed in international law) to armed resistance, he does not personally support suicide bombings. However he reminded us that many people feel that is the only way they can fight against the occupation.”

the first is full of strawmans and distortions, and really is worthless.

Great article....i wish i found it.

ISM arent just TERRORIST supporters....

no , theyre duplicitous , lying , $%^&&**^%# TERRORIST
SUPPORTERS who aid the terrorists and want the
destruction of israel.

if theyre only arrested, they should consider themselves
lucky.

that sounded just like the description of Ariel Sharon. Mhm...

did you like the ISM article??

do you think its accurate??

What part did you enjoy the most??

It gives me the daily laughs. Like reading FR...

directly....

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It was full of distortions and lies. We'll go through these one by one, Don, and if you disagree with what I'm saying, you can feel free to refute it using reliable and credible documentation....

Here we go. Here's one at random. This has been discussed at length before and refuted soundly, so I want to know why you still believe it's true:

"In addition, ISM activist Rachel Corrie protected a house utilized for arms smuggling for terror groups."

Wrong. The house belonged to a Palestinian doctor and his family and was not being used by terrorists at all. I posted an article that confirmed this earlier in the year. If the search function on DU1 worked, I'd go get it for you to have another read of....

This seems to me a case that activists aren't supposed to be trying to protect any civilians, and if they do, the civilians will conveniently be branded as terrorists by IDF and 'supporters of Israel' so that the activist can then be labelled as a supporter of terrorism....

Violet...

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1) yes they are

2) Quit telling people that the ISM arent anything but
lying,duplicitous murder supporters who want the destruction
of israel.

thanks.

do you hold the same opinion about Gush Shalom and other peace movements against Sharon and his policies? What is your opinion about the peace movement in general? Positive or negative? just wonderin...

i dont hold them as low as as the ISM AND i think
they may mean well but are sadly misguided.

No....ISM are pretty much the scum at the bottom of
the barrel.

"misguided"? Why are they misguided? For opposing the occupation, illegal settlements and the policy of people like Sharon?

not understanding that groups like hamas, pflp, al-aqsa
MURDERS brigade and IJ dont want peace....they want the
destruction of israel.

They are misguided for advocating violent groups that carry out violet attacks. DO YOU DISPUTE THIS: THAT THE ISM SUPPORTS VIOLENT GROUPS THAT ATTACK CIVILIANS?

It's a "yes or no" question; not the type of question where one avoid the question and says, "Well, X did this or Y did this." Just answer yes or no -- DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THE ISM SUPPORTS VIOLENT GROUPS THAT ATTACK CIVILIANS?

unlike the United States which heavily supports the IDF to murder civilians and peace workers

"In a widely publicized incident that made many doubt the ISM's claims that it does not collaborate with terrorists, Susan Barclay, an ISM organizer later deported by Israel, attempted to hide Islamic Jihad terrorist Shadi Sukiya in the ISM office in Jenin while the IDF searched the building for him. An ISM spokesman claimed that Barclay had no way of knowing who the man was -- although that would hardly justify her attempt to prevent a search of the ISM offices by an officer of the law who was searching for an identified terrorist. The spokesman went on to say that he was not certain how he would behave if he were himself given the opportunity to shelter a known terrorist from the police."
"Tom Wallace, 43, who has traveled from Boston to work as the ISM's spokesperson in Jenin, says the ISMers in Jenin had no idea who Sukiya was when they took him in that morning, and that they were only trying to help a man in distress. And if, in the future, someone who the ISM knows to be a terrorist shows up at the office door requesting assistance? "He's still someone who's hurt and needs help," Tom says, adding that ISM members in Jenin are now debating this very question. "Honestly, I don't know the answer." One year earlier, ISM volunteers went to great lengths to enter the Arafat compound for the purpose of acting as human shields for Arafat and for the terrorists that the ISM volunteer writing this journal entry proudly refers to as the "Ze'evi Five" in honor of the Israeli Cabinet minister whom they murdered."
"Here Tamara, a 25-year-old mother from the Los Angeles area who belongs to "Los Angeles Jews for a Just Peace" and who traveled to Israel to work as an ISM volunteer, reports on a lecture from a "calm, well-spoken" Hamas representative who told the audience of International Solidarity Movement volunteers that he does not endorse suicide bombings: “We had the chance to meet with, Dr. Ghazi Hamed Hamed, a representative from Hamas. He is by far one of the most interesting and surprising people I have met here. Calm, well spoken, and very upfront..."

Check their website if you want to know what their views actually are, rather than reading the writings of some right-wing dope wanting to smear peace groups.

http://www.palsolidarity.org/

and the peace movement in general! No I don't think they support attacking civilians since peace movements stand for completely different ideas. And I don't consider them "misguided" as some of you sadly do. because I am a liberal/progressive and that's just close to my views what the peace movement stands for...

dont you see it??

calling them peace activists is nothing but a propaganda
scam.

when they support and condone terrorism and the murder
of innocent israeli, they are murder supporters.

when they support and condone terrorism and the murder
of innocent israeli, they are murder supporters.

You've yet to prove that the ISM supports and condones terrorism and the killing of innocent Israelis. Once you can do that, you'll have my total agreement...

Just curious, but seeing as how you believe that legitimate attacks on Israeli military targets are acts of terrorism, does that mean you think IDF troops are 'innocent Israelis'?

Violet...

Smear tactics always work regardless of the facts; it can be assumed that don is well aware of this.

And they'll only be successful if people stop asking the people doing the smearing to back up their claims, which they never can. Of course that doesn't stop them from popping up time and time again repeating the same smears in some belief that people are so stupid that they won't notice that the accusations are just empty fluff devoid of any shred of truth. Having taken a look at the vitriol and rage being directed at activists who are non-violent, it actually seems to outdo anything I've seen aimed at suicide-bombers. One of the major complaints of many who claim they 'support Israel' is that they quite rightly oppose violent resistance in the form of attacks on Israeli civilians. It appears to me that they just as strenously oppose non-violent resistance, and the easiest way to negate any non-violent resistance is to clumsily tar it as terrorism or the support of terrorism so that people can continue on their merry way with claims that there's no non-violent resistance in the Occupied Territories..

Violet...

with this demonizing of any peace activists (even many Israeli) on DU. Makes you wonder. Now even non-violent tactics are problematic? Jeezus...

Zero. Zip. Nada. Well, except for anyone who practices non-violent resistance being labelled as terrorist supporters or worse. And that's what I don't get. Non-violent resistance should be praised and supported rather than ridiculed and anyone who supports it being demonised. Instead it appears that non-violent resistance is seen as something to be stomped out wherever it appears. I guess it has something to do with the fact that reacting with violence to non-violence is ever so much harder to justify than reacting to violence with violence...

Violet...

Non-violent ISM peace activists are being smeared because the Israeli Army murdered a couple of them, has beaten and shot others, and made an attempt on the life of yet another. The smear tactics are in place to protect the image of the Israeli Army. The strategy has nothing to do with your stance on non-violent resistance; what it has to do with is finding ways of smearing the ISM. We can all see this.

about ISM. As for those other posted accusing them of everyting including being terrorists, I just don't take them too seriously. Shortly anyone opposing Sharon will be called a terrorist or terrorist sympathizer. It's really drying out...

from the lead article:

"The young woman belonged to a pro-Palestinian group called International Solidarity Movement, whose members often place themselves between Israeli forces and Palestinians to try to block Israeli military activity."

:shrug:

sure appears to involve the ISM.

AND BTW...

"As for those other posted accusing them of everyting including being terrorists, I just don't take them too seriously. "

WHO OR what is this in refernce to??

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And how, after having their daughter deliberately run over by an Israeli bulldozer driver, they call for a real peace, not one where Israel continues its aggression and ethnic cleansing.

doesn't seem like the attitude for peace to me.

you'll see that the Corries' attitude is quite peaceful.

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