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Resistance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 07:54 AM
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Shooting of activist spurs Israeli scrutiny
By Ben Lynfield | Correspondent of The Christian Science Monitor


Human rights groups argue that the shooting of Gil Naamati Friday during a demonstration against the separation barrier in the West Bank confirms what they have been charging for three years: that the army regularly shoots, and often kills Palestinians, when soldiers' lives are not endangered. The army has consistently denied the charge, stressing that soldiers take pains and even put themselves at risk to avoid harming noncombatants.

The chief of staff, who visited Mr. Naamati in the hospital, termed the shooting a "grave incident" and appointed a colonel to investigate it. An American activist was also lightly injured by the gunfire.

"This gives the public an indication of what is happening during other shootings," says Zehava Galon, a legislator for the liberal Meretz party. "When it is a Palestinian it is permissible to shoot to kill and there are hardly any investigations. When you do not investigate, it establishes a norm, and this is what occurs."

The shooting prompted rare criticism of the army from right wingers, including the Israeli police minister, Tzahi Hanegbi. Other hard-liners, however, backed the army and accused Naamati of collaborating with Israel's enemies.

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bluesoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 07:58 AM
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1. Good article
CSM rocks. Pass it on...
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 09:42 AM
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2. A slight correction...CSM SUCKS. Pass THAT on.
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bluesoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 09:44 AM
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3. Nope
Edited on Mon Dec-29-03 09:58 AM by bluesoul
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Resistance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 07:26 AM
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4. sheesh
now Christian Science Monitor sucks? (but remember, according to Jim Sagle, "Ariel Sharon rocks")
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bluesoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 07:27 AM
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5. Yeah well
it's not like i get surprised any more when reading Jim Sagle...
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 09:22 AM
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6. You can always scroll past.
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Resistance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 02:03 PM
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7. so Jim
what are your thoughts on Israel's shootings and murders of peace activists?
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 10:08 PM
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16. I slam dunked that one on a different thread.
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Resistance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-04 05:25 PM
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17. You slam-dunked something?
What did you slam-dunk?
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lefty_mcduff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-04 11:02 PM
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18. CSM sucks as well?
Gee - must be tough running out of sources that toe the corporate line.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 11:16 PM
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 12:44 AM
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20. C'mon Jim
CSM RAWKS DUDE!!
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SwellGround Donating Member (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 04:01 PM
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8. Very few details leading up to the conflict
More fluff and finger pointing by CSM than any real details as to what happened in this case. This paragraph does more to explain the reality than any other part of the story...

The army says the circumstances are completely different from the first intifada, which was marked mainly by stonethrowing. Now, soldiers are engaged in "armed conflict" facing gunmen and explosive devices. In such a conflict, the army says, the death of a civilian at the hands of soldiers does not necessarily indicate criminal behavior.
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Resistance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 04:10 PM
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9. I guess it explains the reality
to those who trust the army that is doing the shootings and killings of peace activists in the first place. The rest of us will draw our own conclusions.
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SwellGround Donating Member (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 04:17 PM
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10. Without any details of the incident it's hard to draw anything
An empty canvas and crayons with bias is all we have in this story to work with.
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Resistance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 04:30 PM
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11. Hmm
you're worried about bias, yet the paragraph that "does more to explain the reality" is, in your view, the one giving the shooter's explanation.
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SwellGround Donating Member (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 04:39 PM
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12. It's the only text in the piece that tries to explain what came down
Other than that I see no description of what may have caused the disruption or reaction.
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Resistance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 04:47 PM
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13. Well
This is probably because the article is reporting on the fact that a debate is now taking place, not on details of the specific incident itself. Reports giving details on the shootings can be found elsewhere if that is what you're looking for.
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SwellGround Donating Member (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 04:59 PM
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14. The title insisted there was an issue with this incident
I may just be old fashioned and take words for their face value and not their propaganda worth.
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Resistance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 05:39 PM
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15. As I said
if you're interested in the details of the incident, there are plenty of stories out there to look through. You might start with the BBC or Google News reports. Good luck.
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Gimel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 10:45 AM
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25. A conflict
I would not trust the situation at all. The shootings of peace activists, (there have been two in the past three years) is hardly routine, while the shooting of IDF soldiers is much more common. It is therefore much more dangerous to be an IDF soldiers than a peace activist.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-04 10:02 AM
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21. how is the current scrutiny
going to be different than any other scrutiny of the israeli army in the past?
army right -- everybody else wrong.
in the past we've even heard that rock throwers are as dangerous as soldiers with incredibly sophisticated weaponry and body armour as well as trucks and tanks.
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Resistance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-04 05:26 PM
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22. well
In the past it's been American and British peace activists who the Israeli military have murdered and been shooting.

This time, it's an Israeli peace activist. Who knows, it might just wake some people up.

Overall, I fear you're right that nothing will change: Israel will continue it's killing sprees against Palestinians, as well as bulldozing homes, stealing land, etc.
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Resistance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 10:11 AM
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23. I wonder
if things would be more scrutinized if there was a pattern of killings and shootings of right-wing religious settlers?
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 10:32 AM
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24. There would
DEFINITELY be more scrutiny in that case, not just scrutiny, but calls for blood and vengeance, shrill screeds against those responsible, promises of investigations up the wazoo, etc., etc., etc. I guess some lives just count more than others.
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Resistance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 11:34 AM
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28. Well the shooter did say
that he wouldn't have shot if he'd known his target was an Israeli.
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vierundzwanzig Donating Member (320 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 02:42 PM
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30. Are you serious?
n/t
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Gimel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 10:48 AM
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26. Although there is
you are probably not aware of it. However, since the killing is not done by the IDF, there is no investigation.
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Resistance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 06:16 PM
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27. Actually
The question was towards killings done by the IDF: What if they shoot right-wing religious settlers (the way they gun down unarmed peace activists)? Would there be extra scrutiny, or not?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 08:59 AM
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Gimel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 03:10 PM
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31. That is highly unlikely
What if ...you could put any bizarre statement into that. What if....There is not "gunning-down" of anyone. That Viet-Nam (or Holocaust) connotation is not applicable.

"Would there be extra scrutiny, or not?" Every IDF incident gets blown out of proportion. But no-doubt the pro-Palestinians would ignore it.
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