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GabysPoppy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-04 10:36 AM
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Pedagogy of hate


Education and environment.
Photo: AP


Hizbullah too teach their boys to be men.
Photo: AP


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If you want to know what's really at the heart of the Palestinian conflict with Israel, don't ask politicians or diplomats. Go to Palestinian children.

Unlike the rest of the world, they've been paying close attention to what their leaders and educators have been teaching. And they are ready to practice what they've been taught.

For instance, children interviewed on PA TV last week state without reservation that Israel has no right to exist, and that the goal for which they're willing to sacrifice their lives is Israel's destruction.

"They came to take Palestine, that is, Tel Aviv, Jaffa, Haifa, Acre, Ramle. All these cities belong to Palestine," one youth explains in a December 25 broadcast, echoing years of standard Palestinian Authority indoctrination.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1073114052964





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Kayla Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 03:26 PM
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1. Terrific article
I can only imagaine why it has been ignored.


These paragraphs:

"SUCH MESSAGES of delegitimization have been affirmed by Prime Minister Ahmed Qurei. He is on record as rejecting the idea of Israel as a Jewish state. "President Bush said that Israel is a Jewish state, which is a cause for our concern. This should not have been said," he told Al-Nahar and Al-Hayat Al-Jadida on June 15, 2003.

PA-affiliated historians appear on educational TV to reinforce this message. On December 28 Dr. Isam Sisalem reiterated what he has said on numerous broadcasts. Jews "have no history or connection to this land" and are nothing but a "cancer" planted by Britain to control the Middle East.

In the same educational broadcast last week, another historian resurrected The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, the infamous anti-Semitic forgery, citing it as one of the foundations of the First Zionist Congress in 1897."



This must be very hard to deal with if one is anti-Israel!
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 03:33 PM
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2. I find it pretty hard to deal with period.
But my primary reaction was that it seems like a really
bad thing for Israel, and it seems like a massive policy
failure that 55 years on from the founding of the Israeli
state, this problem has become steadily worse and has reached
this level. You would think that in that amount of time
steps could have been taken to address and reduce this sort
of thing, to reduce passions and build bridges and delegitimize
this sort of hate speech.
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GabysPoppy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 03:43 PM
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3. You would think so
What is worse is it's denial as fact. Or an attempt at its justification.

I'm not sure which is worse.
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dudeness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 04:06 PM
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4. unfortunately, I was unable to access this site
but its message is fairly clear..However i believe Bemildred comes close to an answer..remove the hatred from its source..the opportunity is for a benevolent Israel is to negotiate a peaceful settlement with palestinians..Israel holds all the aces...militarily..economically etc..and can negotiate from a strong position..by offering the palestinians a future based around autonomy..education..basic services and human rights it undermines the hate-mongers and militants..this will take time of course..but it must start soon or atrocities will continue unabated..
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GabysPoppy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 04:25 PM
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5. Now you have opened a new can of sardines
Without resorting to rehashing opinions whether Taba or Camp David was fair or not, one thing seems to be clear. Arafat or whoever replaces him can't simply walk away without at the minimum proposing a counter offer. The tactic of renovating terrorism is a losing tactic for all sides and the people who are killed and mutilated regardless of which "side" they happen to be on.

What's even worse is the possibility that once separate states are set and borders are accepted who will be left to assist the Palestinians in the growth of their state. Past history of other Arab nations coming to their rescue doesn't seem to be the best horse to bet on. IMO the GOI of Israel appears to be the best hope they have. Maybe steps one and two might be a REAL attempt at preventing terrorism and a REAL effort to not poison the minds of the future adults.

Until then the old adage seems to be appropriate in this case. Be careful of what you wish for, you might get it.
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dudeness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 04:44 PM
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6. without making comparisions between the two..
the recent emergence of east timor as a new country and its, albiet, slow progress as a developing nation gives me hope that new nations can be born out of newly found independence..as for assistance for a state of palestine..its up to us (the rest of the world) to provide that infrastructure..the dividends of peace and stability in the ME far outweigh the investment required..obviously the killings must stop..and leadership changes may be required..
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Kayla Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 04:45 PM
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7. Willing to make exceptions in
these cases for US-imposed regime changes? :shrug:
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dudeness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 04:50 PM
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8. could you expand further
on your thoughts kayla?

cheers..
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Kayla Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 05:17 PM
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9. Oh, but I'd much rather
you simply answer my question.

Generally, you don't like US-imposed regime changes; here, it seemed as though you were advocating same.

So, I asked you if (and, by implication threfore, why) you want to make exceptions for I/P.


Cheers.
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dudeness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 09:28 PM
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10. please show me where I advocate the following?
Generally, you don't like US-imposed regime changes; here, it seemed as though you were advocating same..

either you misunderstand my post or your are trawling for an aggravated response..btw Kayla I don't avoid answering any questions but they must be relevant or make some sense..

cheers
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sushi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 10:49 PM
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11. Very disturbing
Similarly disturbing is the fact that students from a couple of schools in Israel, mostly seventh to tenth graders, want the troops to kill as many Arabs as possible.

http://yellowtimes.org/article.php?sid=1723
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