Drop In Terror Attacks Due To Israeli Counter-Terrorism Measures, Report S

Israel saw a 30 percent decrease in the number of deadly terror attacks perpetrated in 2003 due to Israeli counter-terrorism measures including the building of the controversial security fence between Israel and the West Bank, according to a report from Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's office.

During the last five months there has been a 'significant increase' in the involvement of Hizballah in terrorist activities of the Tanzim, part of PA Chairman Yasser Arafat's Fatah faction, the report said.

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According to the report, the construction of the barrier has "made it difficult for the terrorist infrastructures based in Samaria to smuggle terrorists into Israel" and has forced them to adjust to the new situation by trying to infiltrate in places not yet covered by the fence.

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Another "innovation" was the recruiting of foreign nationals to perpetrate attacks, including the Hamas suicide bombing at a Tel Aviv pub, in which three people were murdered and more than 60 wounded.

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewForeignBureaus.asp?Page=\ForeignBureaus\archive\200401\FOR20040108g.html

follow this link if the above does not direct you to the article

http://www.unitedjerusalem.org/index2.asp?id=392731

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There are more Israelis alive today because of the Peace Fence

civilians killed by the IDF in the meantime of "peace" for Israelis? They don't matter?

when you have god and the united states behind the sharonists. i hope all the people who live behind their wall find peace,but i doubt they will.

And there are more alive Palestinians because of the Peace Fence.

I apologize for not including that in the original message.

the Peace Bullets and Peace Bulldozers are really helping too.

Those bombers are blown into infinite bliss, achieving martyrdom, what does it matter? They make good poster idols for their younger brothers and sisters.

A neighborhood game. Hitch a ride with an IDF tank:



Shall we call them "Peace Tanks"?

Sharon says Sharon's policies are working just great.

and even when there's like 100 Palestinians killed it's supposed to be peace :crazy:

This is about SAVING lives (Israeli & Palestinian) and not about anything else.

It didn't save those lives of Palestinian children killed by the IDF!

its just like Ashcroft and Ridge stating that the "terrorist" alerts
have "protected Americans". Sure...whatever... :eyes:

Some are more artful about it than others.
It is (almost) always the case however, that whatever they
have been up to lately has been a great success.

The Bushites whining about how much worse the economy would
have been without their emergency interventions is just classic
in that regard, and certainly Sharon's delusions of saving
Israel fall in that category. It's been a steep downhill slide
since that dipshit got in office, and no amount of talk is
going to paper it over at this point.

the statistics you are relying on to disapprove these with a link.

based on the boundaries set

:-)

A guppy eat guppy world?

An opinion peace on the statistics:

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How were these declines achieved? Certainly not out of some newfound Palestinian sense of moderation, much less with concrete tactical assistance from the Palestinian Authority. Despite renewed pledges made at the Aqaba summit in June, the Palestinian Authority never took seriously its commitment to fight terrorism. It did briefly arrange a hudna, or cease-fire. But that cease-fire was never honored and ended with the murder of 21 observant Jews, including many children, in an August suicide bus bombing in Jerusalem.

In fact, the declines were achieved by Israeli operational successes and tactical innovations, beginning with Operation Defensive Shield in April 2002 and culminating with the accelerated construction of the security fence. By increasing pressure on terrorist groups via targeted assassinations, mass arrests, periodic and sustained occupations of Palestinian towns and cities, the demolition of supply tunnels, more intensive closures and curfews, and so on, Israel has significantly improved its margin of security.

Especially noteworthy is that, even as Israel applied greater military pressure, it was able to do so while causing fewer Palestinian fatalities. In 2002, according to statistics by the non-partisan Middle East Policy Council, some 1,000 Palestinians were killed by Israelis. In 2003, roughly 700 were killed, a decline of 30%.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1073721718367

Yes, Palestinian deaths declined in 2003 also. Israelis are still dying, or suffering from injuries incurred in suicide attacks. Palestinians are also dying, but the incidence of death has declined on both sides.

From the Jerusalem Post, the most accurate reporting English language newspaper in Israel, in convenient online format.

"From the Jerusalem Post, the most accurate reporting English language newspaper in Israel, in convenient online format."

LOL

Haaretz in English beats it hands down. Along with the fact that Jpost is a RW piece...

The numbers of casualties on both sides have always been
modest, as these sorts of conflicts go. The notion that modest
fluctuations of the sort depicted here represent a significant
change in the situation is, ummm, shortsighted, at best,
especially in light of the effort required to achieve it.

This is just my opinion of course.

Unless of course you happen to be the Israelis who are targeted by terror attacks.

killed by the IDF...

Because they lack the courage to fight like men?

The killer is responsible for the killing, your justifications don't hold much water...

Not hardly. The responsibility lies on the criminal not the one seeking to stop the crime.

Palestinians civilians it's the Palestinians fault or like there are always "terrorists" hiding behind them. Spare me this BS. It's just a way of justifying murder when it's done by "your" side...

It is a given that many Palestinian terror groups hide in the civilian populations of the West Bank and Gaza. If the Palestinian leadership tried to root them out, it would be far less dangerous for the local population, but even then innocents some would die in the process. Cowardly murdering scumbags like the terror bombers and those who aren't even brave enough to go themselves but send others to do it are not likely to surrender even to Palestinian authority.

These statistical changes are extremely significant and
represent the approaching end of the conflict and the final
triumph of Israel.

Is that better?

They show a trend. Let's see if it keeps up.

say about killed Palestinian civilians in the time of "peace" for Israelis?

It could be a time of peace for Palestinians if they would shut down the terror groups.

...

When Israeli soldiers are mobilized and spend two years in dangerous missions to arrest terrorists, and prevent attacks, although one or two do make it into Israel itself, killing a few dozen innocent civilians? Oh yeah, and about 250 young Israeli solders are also killed in action? What peace is there? No cessation of violence yet. A breather now and then, but we know why. It's not because the terrorists have given up. It's because of the success of IDF actions. You call it peace, we call it successful prevention. You prefer to see Israeli citizens bombed? Would that give you more satisfaction?

I just dont like Palestinians civilians bombed and blown up by the IDF as well! Because I care about them just as much! That's the DIFFERENCE...

"Are there Palestinians who wish that Israel would disappear and would kill every Jew in eyesight if they could? Yes. People say things when they are angry that they wouldn't say if they are calm.

If Israel would stop the occupation, tempers would go down over time. Wounds could start to heal, friendships could start and assimilation would begin. Occupation prevents that.

A good analogy is to imagine Israel like a pet owner who is mercilessly kicking a dog. Certainly, while the animal is being beaten, it will bite the master.
Now imagine the man puts a leash on the dog, and continues to hit it with a stick. Safe from being bitten, the man turns to his neighbor and says:

"See! Thanks to this leash & stick, I am being bitten 30% less than I used to when I had to get close enough to the dog to kick it."

A better solution: Stop beating the dog! Eventually it may be your friend.
The choice lies not with the dog, who never chose to get beaten, it lies with the man, who will always have the upper-hand in dealing with the animal."

Every once in a while, the DEA will come out with some statistic "proof" that the War On Drugs is effective at keeping the problems of substance abuse at bay by arresting smugglers. The numbers on the charts go up or down, depending on the election cycle or how much money the drug warriors want. Thinking people understand that statistics like this are meaningless...they claim victories on the wrong problem. Drug violence is a side-effect of a law that treats a health issue like a crime, thus breeding social policy that harms the very people that the War On Drugs is supposed to help.

Sharon's claims that terrorism is down due to his governments harsh policy of clamping down on civilians, follows the same tactic the Drug Warriors use to justify their existence in the United States: Declare victory on the wrong problem. Terrorism is a side-effect of occupation, not lax enforcement of that occupation.

Even many pro-Palestinian posters have admitted that. So to say it is a product of "the occupation" is incorrect. It is a product of the fact that many Palestinians still refuse to recognize Israel's right to exist.

Even many proGood posters have admitted that. So
to say it is a product of the Colonization is incorrect.
It is a product of the fact that many proGooders still
refuse to recognize Evil's right to exist.

There has been no attempt by the PA or the PLO to stamp out terror. Why, magically, can we expect them to do so in the future?

* A girls' summer camp run by the PA Ministry of Youth and Sports, in the city of Kalkilya, is "named after the Shahida Wafa Idris ... about 100 girls participated ... to UNICEF for its support of the camps." (Al Ayyam, July 18, 2003) Idris was the first woman suicide bomber. Her attack in Jerusalem on Jan. 27, 2002, murdered one person and wounded over 150.

Are there Palestinians who wish that Israel would disappear and would kill every Jew in eyesight if they could? Yes. People say things when they are angry that they wouldn't say if they are calm.

If Israel would stop the occupation, tempers would go down over time. Wounds could start to heal, friendships could start and assimilation would begin. Occupation prevents that.

A good analogy is to imagine Israel like a pet owner who is mercilessly kicking a dog. Certainly, while the animal is being beaten, it will bite the master.
Now imagine the man puts a leash on the dog, and continues to hit it with a stick. Safe from being bitten, the man turns to his neighbor and says:

"See! Thanks to this leash & stick, I am being bitten 30% less than I used to when I had to get close enough to the dog to kick it."

A better solution: Stop beating the dog! Eventually it may be your friend.
The choice lies not with the dog, who never chose to get beaten, it lies with the man, who will always have the upper-hand in dealing with the animal.

Far too many Palestinians wish that Israel would disappear and would kill every Jew in eyesight if they could?.

The problem is you can come out and say, "stop the occupation," but that comment is overly simplistic. It ignores the massive complexities of borders, water rights, air rights, entrance into Israel, etc. that need to be settled by a peace treaty not by the actions of one side.

Pulling out without such a treaty is a sign of weakness and an action that would empower the terrorists, not undermine them.

that only(?) 50% of the Palestinian people support the methods of terrorism. Some call that progress.

:crazy:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=124&topic_id=39332

Here is the poll you requested. I'm sorry you missed it.

In a recent thread where a poll was carried out on Israelis views on nuclear disarmament, you took the stance that unless it polled every Israeli it wasn't indicative of the views of Israelis. So can I ask what the difference is when it comes to polling Palestinians? It's just you seem to be taking this poll as fact...


Violet...

Let's have peace now.

Mr. MUSTAFA BARGHOUTI (Palestinian Activist): I was
riding in a plane with an Israeli and we discussed
the situation. It shocked me we were so much in
agreement. If we could conclude agreement we
could have done it in one hour in this plane. To be
honest with you, I think the public is more ready then
the leaders.

Geneva Accord (Beilin-Abd-Rabbo Document)

Opinion polls showed that 20 to 50% of Palestinians
and Israelis approved of the accord, depending on
who asked the questions and how they were asked.

http://www.mideastweb.org/geneva1.htm

One:

What year did the "occupation" begin?

Two:

What year was the PLO formed and start murdering Jews?

..

:toast:

You may not like it for it's power, but it is effective! I'll toast to that!