SUICIDE BOMBERS IN IRAQ FOLLOW PALESTINIAN MODEL

Al Qaida and related insurgency groups have adopted Palestinian tactics in strikes against U.S. and allied targets.

Iraqi security sources said Sunni insurgents and Al Qaida operatives have been advised by Palestinian insurgents from the ruling Fatah movement and Hamas on methods to launch suicide operations against the U.S. and allied military presence in Iraq. The sources said the methods include the choice of targets, use of explosive belts and the infiltration of operatives.

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http://www.menewsline.com/stories/2004/february/02_04_1.html

So this is the contribution of the Fatah movement and Hamas to America. Yet some ask why we are aligned with Israel. Oh, my.

as a guerilla tactic,and the Iraq quagmire is turning into a textbook example of a guerilla war.Poeople will use what weapons they have,even if it's themselves.Poeple who know better should have seen this coming.

Hey,maybe we can build a wall around Iraq too!

What have these tactics accomplished for the Palestinians except misery and death? Israel is still in the territories, Israel still exists. The Palestinians are reduced to exchanging 1 businessman and 3 corpses for hundreds of their 'soldiers'.

If Israel ever got serious about fighting terrorism, the intifada would soon be over, and not in a way the Palestinians would like, either.

An overwhelmingly powerful nation illegally occupies the land of a much poorer oppressed people.

Democracies defending themselves against evil.

to "defend" ourselves.

I would think a fellow progressive would be bothered by that little tidbit.

is disputed. Is Sadaam being in prison is a good thing? I think you know the answer.

by people who but into right-wing drivel.

Is it worth killing thousands (definately NOT disputed) to get one guy.I think I know YOUR answer.

was not simply to remove Sadaam, but to create a regime less dangerous to America and her allies.

I dont.Apparently you do.

Many Democrats support the war. It is not strictly a Republican position.

not you two.Live it learn it love it!

The Dems are just as insane and incompetant as the repugs who support it.

"but to create a regime less dangerous to America and her allies."

Isn't that why they 'created' saddam, bin laden to begin with?

And you speak of 'leftist' foreign policy - yes the 'rightist' approach has supplied wondrous results.

So you believe Bush?

in what way was saddam a clear and present danger to the might of the USA and her allies?..its seems only the few ruling neocons are left to believe this fiction..what evidence do you have to support this absurd allegation?..hopefully not the Blair dossier..

First it was defending our country. Really, from what? Was Saddam going to throw some rocks at us?

Now it's Saddam's isn't prison, wasn't that worth it? Really, no it wasn't.

I would much rather the 550 American soldiers still be alive and the 10,000 other still have their arms, legs, and sight, and that my country still have $300 billion dollars to educate its people, provide them with health care, and help the rest who's jobs are being sold out from under them.

Imprisoning or killing Saddam is not my problem, he never did shit to me. Maybe if Bush I hadn't sold out the Iraqis in 1991 they could have imprisoned him themselves, but instead Bush and Clinton just had to let them get slaughtered and the starve them for 12 years. Bullshit. I'd rather idiot Bush and his scumbag father were in prison than Saddam. Without fascists like them scumbags like Saddam probably wouldn't have been in power in the first place.

...why Bush went to war with Iraq. Defending Democracy from evil was not one of them.

in the second place, perhaps we could provide F-16s and Stingers to the Palestinians too. That way they wouldn't need to resort to such barbaric tactics.

suicide bombings were not invented by the Palestinians.

on how to detonate themselves.

I'm willing to bet people can figure out how to detonate an explosive all by their lonesome.

...but US forces found explosive belts in Iraq during the invasion. They weren't put there by the Palestinians either. It doesn't take much expertise to devise one of those things. It takes less to detonate it.

"Iraqi security sources said Sunni insurgents and Al Qaida operatives have been advised by Palestinian insurgents from the ruling Fatah movement and Hamas on methods to launch suicide operations against the U.S. and allied military presence in Iraq."

= American puppets.

This seems to be an attempt to distract attention from the fact that the organizations the US was supposed to have greatly damaged in Iraq are alive and active there now, after the invasion, and that this was about as much of a part of the war on terror as were Bush's tax cuts.

...for that 'Iraqi security source' to tie Al Qaeda, Fatah, and Hamas to attacks on Americans in Iraq. It's the perfect scenario! I guess we just going to have to stop supporting them Palestinians now that an 'Iraqi security source' has presented irrefutable evidence that they're involved in killing US troops. :eyes:

the attacks in Iraq most closely resemble the attack on US marine barracks in Lebanon, not the strategies adopted by Hamas to kill innocent Israelis within Israel.

if one's desire is to demonize the Palestinians.

Palestinians are advising terrorists how to kill Americans in Iraq.

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I see no stories regarding any Israelis aiding in the killing of Americans in Iraq.

which is you lumping all Palestinians together.

There was a terrorist who attacked civilians, and in this case British civilians, to get their evil empire (at the time) out of his country. This terrorist was named Manachem Begin, and his terrorist activities helped win Israel it's independence and statehood. He later turned away from his violent roots and became the leader of Israel and a well respected leader in the world community.

Kettle, Pot is on the phone and he has a message for you.

PB

..it's not a 'fact.' It's the opinion of an unnamed source.

are these "simple facts", too?

• Iraq had vast stores of weapons of mass destruction before the invasion
  
• Saddam had close ties with al-Qaeda
  
• Bush's tax cuts will help the economy
  
• The new medical bill will help seniors
  
• No Child Left Behind will leave no children behind
  
• George W. Bush is the President of the United States
  
• Bush won Florida legitimately
  
• No one expected hijacked planes flying into buildings before 9/11
  

Ultimately, they come from the same source.

These are irrelevant to this discussion.

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and since the security forces are the agents of the US, controlled by the US administration in Iraq, "Iraqi security officials" are essentially representatives of the Bush Administration.

It clearly demonstrates that "facts" are not always facts.

simple fact = utter bullshit utilized to rationalize the killing of others for ones own personal gain.

Yes, the present american administration, and those under their direct control, seem quite simple with their facts.


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May I remind the reader that responsibility for the violence in Iraq lies fully with the Bush Administration, and with those that enabled Bush in the criminal invasion and occupation of Iraq: Democrats that voted for IWR, Tony Blair, Iraqi exiles that lied about WMDs, the Sharon regime and its friends in America.

End the Occupation of Iraq by marching on March 20:

People of the World Unite for Peace on March 20

International day of protest against war and the occupation of Iraq

Momentum is building worldwide for the Global Day of Action against War and Occupation on March 20, the one-year anniversary of the U.S. war, bombing and invasion of Iraq. We were right to oppose the war, and nearly a year later, we still say no to war. March 20 will be the first time the world's "other superpower," as The New York Times described the global anti-war movement, will organize massive, broad-based, internationally coordinated anti-war demonstrations since February 15, 2003. On that day, 10 to 30 million people in more than 800 cities across the globe expressed their opposition to Bush's looming war on Iraq. On March 20, we will again speak in one voice, "No more Iraqs!"

United for Peace and Justice (UFPJ), the broadest and largest national coalition fighting the Bush administration's agenda of preemptive war and empire, has called for massive demonstrations in the streets of cities, towns and villages around the world against the U.S. occupation of Iraq and an end to the Bush administration's war drive.

More here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=106&topic_id=4583

for assisting in the killing of Americans in Iraq.

Who is this "we?"

We're blaming "Palestinians" for teaching the nutcases of the world that they will be taken seriously and given more results when they murder civilians than when the quietly petition for their causes.