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Comadreja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 12:28 PM
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Orthodox Jews to Burn Israeli Flag
Orthodox Jews To Burn Israeli Flag in International Ceremony: Rabbi Yisroel Dovid Weiss, spokesman for Neturei Karta International, announced today that the organization of anti - Zionist Jews will publicly burn the Israeli flag in a series of ceremonies around the world on “Purim” Tuesday, March 7.
http://www.nkusa.org/news/purim2004.cfm
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 12:35 PM
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1. The Orthodox wing of any religious tradition has --
-- dished out plenty of repression and should not be pointing their fingers at anybody.

Jews, Christians, Moslems. Anybody you want. They all seek control from on high and over centuries have stopped at nothing to get it.
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kalian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 12:40 PM
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2. Oh boy....
get ready to have the usual crowd deface and defame this group of
orthodox jews. They're "bad" people...and they don't speak for the
"majority" of jews.

Sigh...
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meti57b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 01:07 PM
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3. It's that Neturei Karta Jews are around less than 1% of the world's Jews
Normally, a fraction of 1% of any group isn't often thought of as spokesmen for the group.

I haven't seen anyone here deface and defame them. Whom are you referring to?
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 01:09 PM
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4. The truth hurts, doesn't it?
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kalian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 01:13 PM
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5. What "truth"...? Your truth? Their truth?
:shrug:
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GabysPoppy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 01:17 PM
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6. Tell us what you know about this "group"
Then maybe an intelligent discussion can follow.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 01:27 PM
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7. No, kalian. They are NOT bad people and in fact --
-- they do NOT speak for the majority of Jews.

Your first point is a classic straw man argument.

Your second is assauged by a simple almanac.
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GabysPoppy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 01:30 PM
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8. you left one point out
"knee jerk reaction"
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Comadreja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 01:31 PM
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9. Probably Terrorists
Yep, that's it. Gotta be pro-Palestinian terrorists.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 01:46 PM
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11. Throwing tea into Boston Harbor is terrorism by your --
Edited on Sat Mar-06-04 01:47 PM by Ghost Consul
-- definition. What about burning crosses in black Americans' front yards? I'm sorry, Axel, but your definition of "terrorism" isn't persuasive. I'm not saying it's wrong per se, but it's only applicable when one side decides their action is "good" and another side says it isn't.

These folks are angry at the government of Israel. Ok. They want to burn flags. Ok. But others have an equal right, do they not, to assert that oppression (since that is your theme) runs both ways.

Orthodox groups are as capable of poor judgment as anyone else.

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edit: typo
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dfong63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 02:37 PM
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12. these people are obviously anti-semites, right?
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 06:46 PM
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13. No, actually they're religiously anti-Zionist...
it really has little to do with Israeli and Zionist actions.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 06:48 PM
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14. Yes, but then there is the matter of buring the flag of --
-- a sovereign nation.

That's pretty political.
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 06:53 PM
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15. Clearly, they don't like Zionism...
Edited on Sat Mar-06-04 06:55 PM by Darranar
or its result, namely the State of Israel. I agree with you that it's somewhat political; religion often gets involved in politics. Look at the issue of gay marriage. The motive, however, is religious.

My only point is that they wouldn't have liked Zionism if it were an ideology that had embraced coexistence and cooperation with the Palestinians from the start. Perhaps they'd blame it for trampling Jews' "exclusionary right to the Land of Israel" or some such. The rhetoric would probably attract less followers, but it would still exist.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 07:02 PM
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16. Yeah. You may have that right. But it is an act --
-- that I'm afraid is not going to win any peace.

My inner Hunter Thompson says, If they're so goddamned religious, why don't they act like it?
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Gimel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-04 01:14 AM
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17. Their choice of Purim
This is extremely interesting because this is the one day of the year when Jews can "do no wrong". In fact, they can't be condemned for doing this on Purim, as the world is "upside down" on that day and there is no logic that prevails.

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