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Resistance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-03 09:32 AM
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Thousands of Palestinians Hit by Jerusalem Segregation Wall
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/WO0308/S00224.htm

The Israeli government has issued land confiscation orders for a new segrgation wall, which confiscate and annex more Palestinian land to the unilaterally-declared capital of the Jewish state and will put some 50,000 Palestinians from the West Bank on the Israeli side of the barrier, thus leaving hundreds of thousands on both sides of the Wall cut off from relatives, schools and jobs on the other side.

Most of the confiscated land lay inside the West Bank, Ha’aretz reported Tuesday.

The route of the wall, which Israeli sources described as the “Jerusalem envelope,” would pass throuh several Palestinian towns and villages annexing parts of Bethlehem, Sur Baher, Abu Dis, Kufur Akeb and Al-Ram.

All theses comunities will be cut off from the other parts of the West Bank.
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mmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-03 09:48 AM
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1. when are the US troops arriving to assist Palestine?
soon, I hope
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jos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-03 10:02 AM
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2. I'm sure this is another story
that will receive heavy play in the North American media. NOT!
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QuietStorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-03 10:16 AM
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3. does the word

carte blanche mean anything. will anyone reign Sharon in? and if Bush were to put the clamps on him, what would be the repercussions? Is the US afraid of Sharon?
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StandWatie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-03 10:51 AM
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10. Bush likes him
Edited on Tue Aug-19-03 10:52 AM by StandWatie
He went to exactly one foreign country in his entire life and that was Israel and he was hanging out with Sharon when he was there before he became PM. Sharon gave him his usual spiel and flew him over the country to show how small green line Israel is and yadda, yadda, yadda, and given Bush's usual almost reflexive instinct to embrace and trust monsters (ie, Putin, Cheney) I think he genuinely believes that Sharon is trustworthy.
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QuietStorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-03 12:53 PM
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20. Yes but
Edited on Tue Aug-19-03 01:07 PM by QuietStorm

I never for one moment thought Bush has anything to do with decision making here. What he thinks is mostly irrelevant. He is a talking head for the most part. Sure he got the tour, but I have never thought Bush was actually in the loop. Cheney now that is another story. Cheney didn't need the tour. Perhaps what you mean is to placate bush he needed the tour.

On edit: Actually now that I think of it Bush in his utter ignorance does provide a service: the appropriate rhetoric to make it look like the roadmap is in the water. Than he gets chewed out by the big boys for making a stupid remark the likes of, "Sharon your wall is problematic" which the media picks up. It looks like Bush is for peace. Then Sharon comes to town, as High Tea with the Germanic Saxon's by that point Bush has been put in his place and it is whatever Sharon says, because Sharon is in better line with the PNACers than Shrubie himself. Make sense.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-03 10:17 AM
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QuietStorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-03 10:27 AM
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5. Believe it or not, yes

there still remains doubt about that. There are those yet unconvinced.
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bodhisattava Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-03 10:30 AM
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6. Does it matter to these Israeli propagandists that
Nelson Mandela and Archbishop Tutu compare Israel with
Apartheid South Africa?
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Marlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-03 10:40 AM
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7. John McCain
McCain was in Israel yesterday, cuddling up to the Sharon
and his group. They said they flew him over Israel just to
show him what a small piece of land they had. McCain said
the wall they were building was justified in order to prevent
further terror. To hell with the plight of the Palastine
people. McCain sure has been showing his true colors of late.
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bodhisattava Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-03 11:01 AM
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11. The small piece of land they have now used to belong to
the Palestinian people.The terrorists Ben-Gurion,Shamir
and Begin drove out these people in the first ethnic cleansing
that resulted in the formation of Israel. Since then the Palestinian
people have been stripped of their national identity ( Golda Meir
even had the temerity to say there is no such thing as Palestine or Palestinian people) and, now after the Iraq war a massive ethnic cleansing is being readied for these helpless people.

We, as Americans can hang our heads in shame for our historic complicity in this massive crime.Only the sacrifices of people like Rachel Corrie will have to save our dignity for us.
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Resistance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-03 11:21 AM
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15. We wont hang our heads in shame, of course
No, instead we'll loudly boast about our support for Israeli aggression against the native people of Palestine. Sharon will drop bombs on civilians, and both Democrats and Republicans will hold hands and say "We support you, Israel" (in other words, we support your terrorism)

Any Democrat that supports the racism and terrorism of the State of Israel is full of shit when they claim to hold progressive views. (That does include Howard Dean)

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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-03 12:35 PM
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19. Ah yes, McCain.... Matthews cornered him big time on Israel
Edited on Tue Aug-19-03 12:37 PM by Tinoire
Senator John McCain. What a dolt.

In a quick exchange with reporter Chris Matthews, McCain revealed his inability to provide a coherent argument for why the U.S. needed to attack Iraq. The following excerpt is from Scott McConnell’s (12-11-2001) ‘Ground Zero’ column at Antiwar.com.

"I was with an ambassador from an Arab country and he said you can forget the Arab world if we attack Iraq. I have yet to hear of one European country, let alone an Arab country, who would join us in the war. Can you think of a European country that would join us in the field against Iraq."

McCain didn't answer, explaining instead that the Arab street "goes with winners." But he was clearly unprepared for an interview with someone who was actually ready to contend with him.

The two went back and forth over the difficulties of trying to occupy Iraq with American troops. McCain retreated – "I don't pretend to prescribe the exact strategy" – and claimed it wouldn't take that many troops to occupy Iraq. Then he fell back to what he believed to be his Maginot Line, the argument that trumps all arguments.



McCain: My nightmare – I have several nightmares about Saddam Hussein, but one of them is the that SCUD missile which he has. . . that's in the view of most, aimed at Israel. Aimed at Israel.

At this point, most TV commentators would back away, the mere mention of a missile aimed at Israel sufficing end further argument. But surprisingly, Matthews wanted to discuss the implications.

Matthews: Why doesn't Israel take them out? I'm using the popular parlance. Why doesn't Israel do the work that they have to do? Isn't that their job if it's a strategic threat to them? They're the most powerful nation in the Mideast.

For a moment, McCain was speechless. "I don't think that Israel fee-one . They've got their hands full just as you said right now. But second, I don't this we would ever countenance. We criticized them when they took out his nuclear facility back-back – many years ago."

Matthews: Well, why don't we give them the go-ahead. Get rid of Saddam. You know, if you hate him, do it.

McCain: Because I'm not sure we should ask the Israelis to do – to take care of a threat to the United States of America.

Matthews: But you just said it was a threat to Israel.

McCain: Well to world peace, I think.

Matthews: No you said it was a threat to Israel. Why should the United States deal with a threat to Israel? Why don't we let Israel – we've been giving them $3 billion a year to defend themselves. Why don't we say, "Defend yourselves. You've got a clear fight. Go take Saddam out"?

McCain: Because I think it's our job. I think we're the world's leader and I. . .

Matthews: Our job is to defend Israel?

McCain: No, it's our job to remove threats to the security of the United States.

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/wot/palestineisraeliconflict/divisionwithingov.html
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bodhisattava Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-03 01:23 PM
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22. With his war record and his genuine empathy for the underdog,
McCain could have been the Ernest Gruening or Wayne Morse of our time supporting the lone and courageous Robert Byrd in the Senate.
Instead, he has become a shadow of his old self.The fact that he has been bested by cowards like Bush and Cheney really galls me.
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QuietStorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-03 10:43 AM
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8. No it matters in the least.


This is the new RW denial. For years the occupation was denied. Finally Sharon used the word in press, so it becomes hard to deny that word. Now it seems there is not full concensus on Apartheid.
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Resistance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-03 10:46 AM
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9. I see your point bodhisattva
but let us remember that there are numerous Jewish intellectuals who are adamantly opposed to Israel's terrorism and ethnic cleansing, and in fact are very outspoken about it. You just don't hear their names in the media much, because, well because the R-W Zionists in power do everything they can do vilify and marginalize them.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-03 11:02 AM
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12. This thread ain't nuthin' but shit.
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wwwunspunmediaorg Donating Member (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-03 11:07 AM
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13. I agree.
I agree it isn't ethnic cleansing. Please.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-03 11:25 AM
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-03 11:46 AM
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17. it's genocide

re: The Great Wall of Israel

Whoever would guess in a million years that the jews who for centuries were forced to live behind walls, would now be building the same kind of walls?

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Resistance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-03 11:53 AM
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18. It's not "the jews"
It's Zionist right-wing psychopaths driven by religious fundamentalism, racism and greed. All ethnic and religious groups have to deal with the likes of these types amongst them -- the problem I have is that my tax money supports these terrorists.
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vierundzwanzig Donating Member (320 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-03 12:59 PM
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21. It wasn't just the Jews
In the greater scheme of things the Jews weren't hit any harder than dozens of other groups. What I don't get - their Holocaust wasn't even the latest atrocity.

Pol-Pot's genocide is all but forgotten by the eccentric intellectuals. But we keep building Holocaust museums.

What about Rwanda?
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bodhisattava Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-03 11:19 AM
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14. Those who would deny the terrorism of the Israelis
including Sharon ( at Sabra and Shattila refugee camps
in Lebanon) where he conducted proxy murders against innocent Palestinians women and children using his Christian Lebanese puppets
are the same ones who cry the loudest about young Palestinian men and women carrying out suicide missions against one of the world's most armed nations,Israel, armed, by the way by our tax money.
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Muddleoftheroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-03 01:45 PM
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23. Press release
This is an unedited press release from the Palestine Media Center. Care to find some real sources for info?
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