|
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend Bookmark this thread |
This topic is archived. |
Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Israel/Palestine |
Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-04 03:17 PM Original message |
From the Bullet to the Ballot: A Strategic Shift in the Palestinian Strugg |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-04 03:22 PM Response to Original message |
1. LOL |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-04 03:36 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. Blacks were not citizens of this country at one time |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-04 04:12 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. The South Africa comparison remains bogus |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-04 04:30 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. So then you're still left with Jim Crow and the Confederacy |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-04 04:51 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Huh? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-04 04:54 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Were black people citizens in the US before the civil war? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-04 07:18 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. You're probably going somewhere |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-04 07:54 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. They did live in Israel |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-04 08:12 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. They can make peace |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-04 08:22 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. It didn't have that impact last time there was peace. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-04 08:29 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. When was there peace? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-04 08:32 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Whatever |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Jack Rabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-04 09:36 PM Response to Reply #19 |
50. "The Palestinians everyone keeps speaking of do NOT live in Israel" |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-04 09:42 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. Israeli citizens remain Israeli citizens |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Jack Rabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-04 10:05 PM Response to Reply #51 |
56. Since Israel has not annexed those territories |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-04 11:39 PM Response to Reply #56 |
68. Disputed means the final border is unsettled |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-04 11:55 PM Response to Reply #68 |
71. No, that's not what it means... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Alex88 (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-04 10:49 PM Response to Reply #5 |
58. Regarding Israeli citizenship |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-04 03:23 PM Response to Original message |
2. The one-state solution is a blueprint for genocide. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-04 03:33 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. nice sloganeering. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-04 04:13 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. He was just being honest |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-04 04:30 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. What opportunity has been presented other than bantustan |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-04 04:52 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. That offer Arafat walked away from |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-04 04:53 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. If you think such offers worked well for Ireland |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-04 07:19 PM Response to Reply #13 |
20. I guess statehood is horrible, huh? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-04 08:25 PM Response to Reply #20 |
28. Partition happened in 1919 |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-04 08:30 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. Partition happened and was followed years later by statehood |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-04 08:38 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. The Irish will eventually outnumber the protestants |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-04 08:56 PM Response to Reply #37 |
42. They are both Irish |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-04 09:06 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. The Protestants are mostly British |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-04 09:44 PM Response to Reply #45 |
52. If I were born in Scotland, I will still be Scottish |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-04 10:53 PM Response to Reply #52 |
59. They already compromised by giving Israel 1948 land |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-04 11:34 PM Response to Reply #59 |
64. They didn't give squat |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-04 12:33 AM Response to Reply #64 |
72. How can the lose a war they didn't start? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-04 12:35 AM Response to Reply #72 |
73. Not the spoils of war |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-04 12:42 AM Response to Reply #73 |
78. They didn't take part in the war at all unless as individuals |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-04 12:49 AM Response to Reply #78 |
81. If enough individuals do something |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-04 12:53 AM Response to Reply #81 |
83. Never the less those places are self governing |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-04 06:41 AM Response to Reply #83 |
89. Of course, those areas also don't blow up babies deliberately |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-04 07:01 PM Response to Reply #89 |
96. The holocaust. The rape of nanking? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-04 07:04 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. They surrendered |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-04 07:09 PM Response to Reply #97 |
100. If after they had surrendered we had governed it for 37 yrs |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-04 05:11 PM Response to Reply #4 |
15. Show me where I said Palestinians are evil. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-04 05:26 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Why is the one state solution a "blueprint for genocide"? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-04 06:00 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. Because the Palestinians will end up the majority and vote the Jews out of |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-04 06:17 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. So you must think Palestinians are evil. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-04 07:21 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. The Arabs ethnically cleansed the Jews elsewhere |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-04 07:59 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Arab ethnic cleansing of Jews only happened as a response |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-04 08:14 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. I think my views are based in 2,000 years of activity |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-04 08:27 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. I wouldn't move just because a desendent of a persecuted wanted |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-04 08:31 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. The Green Line is a dead issue |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-04 08:35 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. I think the two state solution itself is dead because of it |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-04 08:38 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Demographics are no threat |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-04 08:39 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. So long as they govern the West Bank they are a |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-04 09:44 PM Response to Reply #38 |
53. Israel has no motivation to "get the hell out" without peace |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-04 11:02 PM Response to Reply #53 |
60. It had a period of peace, no terrorism, it didn't leave. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-04 11:35 PM Response to Reply #60 |
65. So basically, you seem to think all options are equally bad? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-04 12:35 AM Response to Reply #65 |
74. Number 1 and 2 are ok with me. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-04 12:38 AM Response to Reply #74 |
76. It has |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-04 12:46 AM Response to Reply #76 |
79. Deleted message |
Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-04 11:45 PM Response to Reply #25 |
70. Why does ethnic cleansing onlymatter when it happens to the Jewish people? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-04 08:18 PM Response to Reply #18 |
26. No skin off you if you're wrong, huh? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-04 08:29 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. It's also no skin off my nose if the Israelis ethnically cleans |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-04 08:39 PM Response to Reply #30 |
39. The Palestinians take our money too. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-04 08:44 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. I don't approve of that either |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-04 08:57 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. Yeah, because that will bring peace |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-04 09:09 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. I doubt that |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-04 09:45 PM Response to Reply #46 |
54. Now you assume Europe will intervene for the Palestinians? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-04 11:06 PM Response to Reply #54 |
61. yes, most of them will if the effort is placed there |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-04 11:36 PM Response to Reply #61 |
66. Well, the U.S. won't |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-04 12:37 AM Response to Reply #66 |
75. The US can't force me to buy Israeli products |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-04 12:38 AM Response to Reply #75 |
77. It can force businesses NOT to boycott |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-04 12:48 AM Response to Reply #77 |
80. How can it force businesses to buy israeli products |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-04 06:59 AM Response to Reply #80 |
91. Case a little while back |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-04 06:56 PM Response to Reply #91 |
93. Can you provide a citation? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-04 07:05 PM Response to Reply #93 |
98. I saw it here in I/P but can't readily find it |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-04 03:30 PM Response to Original message |
3. n/t |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
buddy22600 (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-04 03:59 PM Response to Original message |
6. nice post |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
number6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-04 08:49 PM Response to Original message |
41. Classical_Liberal, I salute you ... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-04 08:58 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. It's still there, the Palestinians need only agree to peace |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
number6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-04 09:10 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. I believe, you believe that ...but I'm skeptical.. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-04 09:17 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. Muddle admits they won't give them land for it |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-04 09:46 PM Response to Reply #49 |
55. Not at all |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-04 11:11 PM Response to Reply #55 |
63. The Palestinians have already compromised |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-04 11:37 PM Response to Reply #63 |
67. What compromise? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-04 12:54 AM Response to Reply #67 |
84. I guess you slept through Oslo as well |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-04 09:12 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. They won't get anything from peace or war |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-04 10:26 PM Response to Reply #48 |
57. Tell them, not us. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-04 11:08 PM Response to Reply #57 |
62. They can read |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-04 11:39 PM Response to Reply #62 |
69. Genocidal boycott - like killing for peace. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-04 12:50 AM Response to Reply #69 |
82. How is a boycott genocide? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-04 12:57 AM Response to Reply #82 |
85. it could lead to the total destruction of a small nation that is basically |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-04 01:03 AM Response to Reply #85 |
86. The course Sharon is taking is more likely to do that in my view. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-04 01:16 AM Response to Reply #86 |
87. You're half right, I think. But Sharon didn't happen in a vacuum. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-04 03:10 AM Response to Reply #87 |
88. nothing happens in a vacuum |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-04 06:48 AM Response to Reply #88 |
90. You have a funny sense of "beginning" |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-04 06:57 PM Response to Reply #90 |
94. That's nice |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-04 07:06 PM Response to Reply #94 |
99. So? You cited a beginning |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-04 07:20 PM Response to Reply #99 |
101. I don't think Israels claim is more legitmate that the Palestinians. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-04 08:22 PM Response to Reply #101 |
102. I also want two independent states |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Vladimir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-04 07:55 AM Response to Original message |
92. The Palestinians tried to push |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-04 06:59 PM Response to Reply #92 |
95. I'll except either one, though I am down on the two state |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) | Sun May 05th 2024, 10:28 PM Response to Original message |
Advertisements [?] |
Top |
Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Israel/Palestine |
Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators
Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.
Home | Discussion Forums | Journals | Store | Donate
About DU | Contact Us | Privacy Policy
Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.
© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC