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Herschel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-03 09:58 PM
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Lebanon Palestinians give sweets after Israel attack
http://famulus.msnbc.com/FamulusIntl/reuters08-19-140151.asp?reg=MIDEAST

"Several hundred young men poured into the streets of a Palestinian refugee camp in Lebanon on Tuesday and handed out sweets to celebrate a suicide bomb attack on a Jerusalem bus that killed at least 20 people, witnesses said.

They said the men, who urged more attacks, fired into the air in an expression of joy and handed out sweets to passing cars as women watched from the sidelines in the Beddawi camp on the outskirts of the northern city of Tripoli.

''Death to America. Death to Israel,'' the protesters chanted. ''Yes to the resistance and yes to more operations.''

Animals celebrating murder! Oh, my.
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rooboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-03 10:01 PM
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1. I'd be shocked...
if I didn't believe there'd be celebrations in Tel Aviv if Arafat got a bullet to the head.
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tinnypriv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-03 10:05 PM
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4. That is rather different
Arafat can hardly be compared to a bus full of men, women and children can he?

1. He's a thug and a terrorist.
2. They're not.

Hence, these Lebanon celebrations are outrageous, but cannot be compared to celebrations regarding the death of Arafat. Such celebrations would still be distateful, but much more understandable.
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-03 10:51 AM
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15. Agreed, tinnypriv...
You can't equate Arafat with women and children. Of course, all this celebration proves is that there are crazy fools on both sides. There would be celebration if the Palestinians were transfered to Jordan.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-03 10:09 PM
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5. But would they cheer the deaths of 20 ordinary Pals?
I think you know the answer.
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tinnypriv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-03 10:13 PM
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6. Er, yes?
Maybe you haven't seen the "deport the fuckers" signs all around Israel?

Keep up the :beer:
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-03 11:57 PM
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9. Drinking is the only way I can stomach this folder.
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tinnypriv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-03 12:00 AM
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10. So *that* explains your posts
:D
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-03 01:39 AM
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11. What explains yours?
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tinnypriv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-03 08:50 AM
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14. I'm just plain old ocher Yisrael
n/t
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StandWatie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-03 06:34 PM
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21. long, long number of those bastards..
just like Elijah.
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cantwealljustgetalong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-03 10:07 PM
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26. or just plain speaking noamian chomskyesque......
n/t
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tinnypriv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-03 11:50 PM
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27. 'Fraid not
I know jack about linguistics.

:D
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-03 10:52 AM
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16. Ah, yes...
It is unfortunate, but some would. Of course, it isn't covered extensively, so it doesn't happen. :eyes:
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Gimel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-03 11:38 PM
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8. Nothing like
commenting on events that haven't occurred. Israelis have known enough death and they don't celebrate it in others, even their enemies.
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zoidberg Donating Member (508 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-03 02:22 AM
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12. If Sharon got a bullet to the head and the Palestinians celebrated...
I wouldn't be outraged at all. No more than I was outraged when people celebrated the Husseins getting waxed. But if Israel blew up a camp full of kids, I would be pissed if anybody was out on the street celebrating.
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rini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-03 07:47 PM
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31. I
would hope not, but if the US were hit again, or another group of Israelis died tomorrow, here is Ms. Crumble's take on the situation...Posted today in Islamaphobia


but apart from being shocked when I saw the biggest fuck-you of all time happening on telly right in front of my eyes, I remember thinking that the US had finally gotten some payback for decades of fucked up foreign policy. If I was living somewhere where that policy was making my life unbearable, I would have possibly been out dancing in the streets too...

Madam, when you go home to your kennel tonight, I hope your mate bites you!
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tinnypriv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-03 10:02 PM
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2. I remember Sami Al-Arian
Trying to pretend that him saying "Death to Israel" at a rally was "standard" speech, not to be taken literally.

He's in good company with this bunch of low-life. Decendents of explusion and destruction to be sure, but low-life nevertheless.
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Devils Advocate NZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-03 10:03 PM
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3. You know...
I was watching the live footage of the aftermath of the bombing, while bodies were still being pulled out of the wreckage, and I saw at least 3 different Israelis smiling and joking around.

It seems many people in that awful war have become dehumanised.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-03 10:16 PM
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7. They aren't animals.
They are Israel's determined enemy, pawns that they are, and they are human. They have been raised to cherish an idea of destruction that will never satisfy them, never give them anything but despair and ashes but it is their beloved. It will never occur to them that there was another way to go. They will never have a happy ending.

And Israel is locked in their death dance with them.

But these are humans dancing and don't you EVER forget it.
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Gimel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-03 04:08 AM
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13. Human characteristics
Edited on Wed Aug-20-03 04:13 AM by Gimel
Yes, they look and dance like humans. They laugh and talk and cry. But they also have the power to think and to choose. That distinguishes man from animals.

When the negative path is chosen, or the ability to chose is controlled by powers greater than the individual, the human faculty sinks to a lower level. Such humans become animalistic. It can happen, and one must guard against it. But there is no other way to describe wanton destruction on innocent people. Those who plan and participate in attacks have, IMO, become non-humans.

Israelis see death and destruction. Crying and mourning sometimes looks similar to laughing. It is bazare, but the mangled bodies and cries of children can someimes be miraculous. Look who survived and recognize how close to death they were. That is a reason to thank G-d.

On Edit (corrections and additions)
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Noon_Blue_Apples Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-03 05:40 PM
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18. You do your handle justice with this post

Although I don't agree totally, well done. One post such as this is worth a million more than the tactic chosen below.

Bill
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newyorican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-03 06:12 PM
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20. I guess the theory about the opposing thumb is trash...
:shrug:
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Herschel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-03 05:19 PM
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17. They are animals
Though they confuse the issue by walking upright.
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Aidoneus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-03 05:42 PM
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19. You know,
Edited on Wed Aug-20-03 05:58 PM by Aidoneus
people once talked like that about Jews, probably that exact phrase. does the irony bother you at all, or has the demonization process effectively created airtight mental compartments for things like that?
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Herschel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-03 06:44 PM
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22. How dare you
My statement referred to those who celebrate murder. You recall a stereotype against all Jews. They are not the same. You know that.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-03 07:18 PM
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24. He was comparing your opinion that these people are
not human with historical anti-semitic opinion that Jews
are not human. It's a perfectly reasonable comparison, even
if you don't like it. The fact that it was not the point you
were making is irrelevant, it was the point he was making.
The fact is we are all human, and murder is pre-eminently a
human activity. What other creature indulges in this sort of
thing?
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-03 12:28 AM
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28. Not even close.
Edited on Thu Aug-21-03 12:29 AM by Jim Sagle
Herschel was labelling individuals based on their behavior.
Aidoneus was labelling a whole group based on their ethnicity.

That's a 180-degree difference.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-03 12:33 AM
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29. Close enough.
Aidoneus was talking about the labeling.
Aidoneus did not label anyone.
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StandWatie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-03 07:23 PM
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25. ...
Edited on Wed Aug-20-03 07:26 PM by StandWatie
to hell with it..
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Yentatelaventa Donating Member (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-03 06:44 PM
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23. Not animals
Hatefull future terrorists is what they are. Useless humans if they don't change.
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-03 11:23 AM
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30. Agreed...
their DNA is human. They are therefore human biologically, however similar their behavior may be to animals.
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