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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 11:46 PM
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Why Israel will not allow Arafat to be buried in Jerusalem
Why Israel will not allow Arafat to be buried in Jerusalem
By Chris Marsden
10 November 2004

The Israeli government cannot contemplate a burial in Jerusalem not only because holding it is of symbolic significance for the Zionists as embodying their supposed biblical claim to Palestine, but because it is a strategic bulkhead for its expansionist aims. Jerusalem occupied a central place in Zionist efforts to establish the state of Israel, following its proclamation in May 1948. After the defeat of the Arab incursion that year, the Israel-Jordan Armistice Agreement of 1949 formalised the de facto division of the city into the eastern sector, including the Old City, controlled by Jordan (which also controlled the West Bank), and the western sector, or the New City, which was controlled by Israel.

In the June 1967 Arab-Israeli War, Israel regained the Jordanian-controlled sectors of Jerusalem and subjected it to Israeli law, jurisdiction and administration. It formally annexed East Jerusalem in 1980, subsequently asserting that “Jerusalem, whole and united, is the capital of Israel” and would “remain forever under Israel’s sovereignty.”

Palestinians claim east Jerusalem (or al-Quds as it is known in Arabic), where over 200,000 Arabs constitute 30 percent of the city’s population, as the capital of the future Palestinian state. They have proposed a compromise of establishing a capital in the Abu Dis suburb of Jerusalem—which would then be renamed Al-Quds. But the Israelis will not contemplate even this alternative. For the Zionists it is no longer a question of refusing to relinquish Jerusalem, but of using the city as a spearhead from which to seize much of the West Bank.

Successive governments, both Likud and Labour, have done everything possible to secure their grip over the eastern part of the city and to consolidate satellite communities built since 1967 within its municipal borders and therefore under Israeli sovereignty.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/nov2004/araf-n10.shtml
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DELUSIONAL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 11:51 PM
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1. Where will Sharon be buried when he dies?
The ideal would be for these two enemies to be buried together -- both are evil greedy pig bastards -- in a way twin souls or half of the same coin.

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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 11:58 PM
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3. Delusional is right. Absolutely delusional.
Another six of one, half a dozen of the other coverup. Tell me when Sharon sent children to blow up themselves and other children.

Or are you still putting Sabra and Shatila on his head? Nobody ever thinks to blame the Lebanese. Why is that? Because nobody has spent 5000 years hating the Lebanese?

BTW, does Sharon have $3 billion of his people's money in a Swiss account?
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Matilda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 12:20 AM
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6. I'd love to see the contents of Sharon's bank account!
You can bet your life he's got a nice nest egg tucked away in
Switzerland. Yes, so did Arafat, and there's going to be a big row
between his gold-digging widow and the Palestinians to get hold of
it. But please don't try to tell anybody that Sharon is goody
two-shoes, because that's too big an ask.

I'm just curious now to see what excuse Sharon will come up with not
to negotiate with whoever becomes the new leader of Palestine.
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livinbella Donating Member (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 12:31 AM
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11. You are nuts!
Sabra and Shatila were the brainstorm of that
bastard sharon.
(And PLEASE don't talk about money tonight.)
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DELUSIONAL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 12:43 AM
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12. Sharon probably has a trillion somewhere -- he is after all
a much bigger pig than Arafat -- so to keep that rotund pig shape it would take at least a trillion.

Both men have a bloody history -- I really don't see much difference between the two. Both have the blood of children on their hands.

Sharon isn't a friend to us -- he doesn't have the interest of the US as a priority -- his priority is Israel and we need to remember that.

After all -- Israel murdered the sailors on the US Navy ship -- Liberty -- Israel knew they were attacking a US Naval ship.

Remember the USS Liberty!



We are all delusional if we believe this is a democracy. We are delusional if we believe all votes are counted or if we believe if our votes COUNT.
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Djinn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 06:52 PM
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17. Where is the Begin teh butcher buried?
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 11:53 PM
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2. They don't want his grave to become a shrine.
A shrine would give them an excuse for a claim on Jerusalem. It ain't hard to figure out.

I will mention once again that Palestinians are Arabs. Arabs are from Arabia. Their language is Arabic. Their sacred holy cities of Mecca and Medina are in Arabia.

If they insist upon a law of the return I sincerely hope the US government will use its relationship with the Saudis to petition them to allow the Palestinians to return to their homeland, Arabia.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 11:58 PM
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4. And the Israelis are European and American...
two can play this stupid little game.

Israel should have been established in Germany, for it was Germany that brought death and destruction to the world, and it was Germany that exterminated Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals, and the handicapped.

The UN partition the land, and the UN should repartition it again.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 12:00 AM
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5. You wanted to send the Jews back to Germany?
To where? The crematoriums?

God, that's ugly. I'll bet you have six million more where that idea comes from.
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Matilda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 12:26 AM
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7. What happened to the Jewish people during the Holocaust
was a monstrous crime, and nothing can justify or excuse it.

But they don't have an exclusive on suffering, nor does it justify
their treatment of the Palestinians, who were not members of the
ruling elite of Germany.
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livinbella Donating Member (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 12:28 AM
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8. uncalled for and childish observations
pitiful
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 12:56 AM
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13. You'll get used to it
actually it was one his better posts...for what it's worth ;-)
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 06:35 AM
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15. Indy did say two could play at yr game...
Read the post she replied to. It was damn ugly. I don't get you, aquart. Yr posts elsewhere at DU about other topics are generally pretty great and I find myself agreeing with many of them. But it's like a different person takes over whenever you appear in any I/P threads...

You know how I hate being picky, but I wasn't aware that post-war Germany was full of crematoriums and the Nazis were still reigning surpreme. Must have missed that bit when I was reading about it. Post-war Germany was controlled by the Allies, and the Americans were going strong with their denazification program...

Indy has a point in saying that the blame for the Holocaust lies fair and square with Germany, and instead of punishing the Palestinian people for the crimes of Germany, a fairer solution would have been to make Germany the Jewish state. Yeah, that solution wouldn't seem fair to the German population, but after doing a bit of book-learnin' on their complicity in the Holocaust, it's hard to summon up much sympathy for them. The vast majority supported deporting German Jews, grabbed their homes and belongings after they were deported, and looked the other way once it became clear that the deportations weren't to a new life in the East, but to slavery and death....

Fawaz Turki sums it up in a nutshell in 'The Disinherited':

'The Western world, which had long tormented and abused the Jewish people, hastened to bless an event that saw an end to their victims' suffering. A debt was to be paid. Who was to pay it and where it was to be paid were not seen as of the essense, so long as it was not paid by Europeans in Europe.'

Violet...

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Djinn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 06:58 PM
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18. get a grip aquart
you know fine well the poster was referring to your stupid "go to Arabia" line and not making an actual suggestion - although it'd be considerably safer to live in Dusseldorf or Berlin than Gaza or Tel Aviv and that whole "they're arabs" line is absolute and total nonsense - the vast majority of jews in Israel migrated there or their parents or grandparents did in the last 50 years.

Hey maybe jewish folk should go back to Egypt - humans have been migrating for thousands of years working out who came from where is virtually impossible - maybe the entire human population should move back to the Rift Valley in East Africa.

On and I may be mistaken but I beleive the are no more working crematoria in Germany.
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Matilda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 12:29 AM
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9. The Israelis have no legal right to ban Palestinians
from East Jerusalem.

However, I believe that Arafat is to be buried in Ramallah, which is
very suitable.

And the Palestinians plan to turn his burial place into a shrine.
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 06:11 AM
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14. The right of return is pretty simple to understand...
It's the right to return to homes that Palestinians fled from, or in many cases, were forcibly expelled from between 1946-1949, and also those refugees from the 1967 war. You know what homes are, Aquart? They're those things we tend to cherish and put roots down in and hold a lot of memories for us. If I were to be expelled from my home and the land I live in, I'd feel so comforted to know you'd be there going: 'I will mention once again that Australians like Violet are Anglo. Anglos are from England. Their language is English. If she insists upon a law of return I sincerely hope she'll be allowed to return to her homeland, England.' See? That's just as stupid as saying that the Palestinians homeland is Arabia...

Sorry, but the fact is that Palestinians do have a legitimate claim on East Jerusalem. That's the bit that Israel invaded in 1967 and later annexed, as usual totally ignoring international law...

btw, Jerusalem is the third holiest site in Islam. Jerusalem is sacred to Christians, Muslims and Jews. Being an atheist, I'm not all that excited about holy sites and the fuss made about them, but even I can see the importance of Jerusalem to all three religions....

Violet...
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livinbella Donating Member (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 12:29 AM
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10. He was a great man. Bury him as he wishes.
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 04:42 PM
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16. How, precisely, was he a "great man"? n/t
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Djinn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 07:01 PM
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19. personally i don't agree
that Arafat was a great man but if he's evil because he committed (or planned or sanctioned whatever) acts of terrorism then condem Mandela with the same breath
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