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QueerJustice Donating Member (457 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 08:31 PM
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No one knows what Palestine really wants
By Amir Taheri, Special to Gulf News

As Palestinians prepare to go to the polls today to elect a new leader, even sceptics admit that things have gone better than they expected. There is little doubt that Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen) will be elected as Palestinian chairman, or President as some prefer, with a convincing majority that will give him the democratic legitimacy that Yasser Arafat lacked.
Abbas, however, will be everybody's second choice. And therein lies both his weakness and his strength.

The Arafatists want Abbas because they know he has no power base of his own and may thus be bullied into adopting at least part of their agenda while preserving at least some of their privileges.

http://www.gulfnews.com/Articles/OpinionNF.asp?ArticleID=147064
.......................

I do not agree with everything he says but its not a bad start....
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 08:38 PM
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1. it`s a step in the right direction.now
the world awaits how israel and the factions in palestine will respond
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jmcgowanjm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 08:42 PM
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2. What the Palestinians want
1) Israel to 1967 borders

2) Open Jerusalem

3)Recognition of Barghouti
as President of Palestine

Instead of looking for a solution to the Palestinian problem, Bush gave the green light to Sharon, so that he could run berserk in the Palestinian territories, re-conquer, kill, destroy, uproot, besiege, surround and cut off. It seemed that Bush was lending unqualified support to Sharon's objectives: to break the Palestinian national entity and its leadership, to bring the Palestinians to their knees, to enlarge the settlements and annex the territories. As usual, the blame was placed on the victims.-Uri Avnery

http://www.israelinsider.com/views/authors/avnery.htm
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jmcgowanjm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 08:51 PM
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3.  The "Wipe-Israel-Off-The-Map" groups
see Abbas as a stopgap leader who could buy them time
to strengthen their positions, especially in Gaza, before
making their own bid for power.

No. the The "Wipe-Israel-Off-The-Map" groups
don't care whois the Israeli puppet.

The real battle/election for these people is
taking place in Falloujah,
even as we type.

There is no difference now.
From the Nile to the Euphrates.

Election Irregularities: Israeli Claims of Military Withdrawal from West Bank a Fabrication
Report, PCHR, 8 January 2005

http://electronicIntifada.net/v2/article3493.shtml

The spokesman said that most of the American prisoners
in their custody had provided intelligence that would prove
useful to the Resistance in the future, including information
on the location of US forces, their numbers and when
their commanders are there. Three prisoners pronounced
the Islamic credo “there is no god but God, and Muhammad
is the Messenger of God,” but the shaykh said they didn't
think they were sincere. The captives later admitted that they
had heard from other American soldiers that if they were
ever captured, they should say those words and the
Resistance would automatically release them. It obviously
isn't so easy.

http://rense.com/general61/usded.htm

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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 09:17 PM
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4. This is horseshit.
"with a convincing majority that will give him the democratic
legitimacy that Yasser Arafat lacked."

That is utter, Orwellian horseshit. Abbas will be elected by perhaps
20% or the Palestinian electorate, and there is no reason at this point
to think he will accomplish anything of his own will and effort. Not
that I don't wish him success, but that just isn't the way to bet.
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Malikshah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 12:12 PM
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5. Byline says it all...Benador Associates...
:)
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Englander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 12:29 PM
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6. The "experts" that Benador are Proud to Present;


Alexander M. Haig, Jr.
Lord Lamont of Lerwick
Ismail Cem
James Woolsey
Richard Perle
Victor Davis Hanson
Amir Taheri
David Pryce-Jones
Kanan Makiya
Saad Eddin Ibrahim
Salameh Nematt
Hassan Mneimneh
A.M. Rosenthal
Andrew C. McCarthy
Efraim Karsh
Charles Krauthammer
Michael A. Ledeen
Dennis Prager
John O'Sullivan
Ruth Wedgwood
David Gelernter
Tom Rose
Paul Vallely
Richard O. Spertzel
Hillel Fradkin
Michael Rubin
Paul Marshall
Khalid Durán
Laurie Mylroie
Rachel Ehrenfeld
Arnaud de Borchgrave
John Eibner
Richard Pipes
Meyrav Wurmser
Mansoor Ijaz
Fereydoun Hoveyda
George Jonas
Michel Gurfinkiel
Walid Phares
Tashbih Sayyed
Charles Jacobs
Stanley H. Kaplan
Herbert I. London
Raphael Israeli

http://www.benadorassociates.com/experts.php


The few that I've heard of,I wish I hadn't!!

:crazy:
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QueerJustice Donating Member (457 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 07:47 PM
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8. how about the actual article?
posted in an Arab newspaper I may add....

...not the JPOST LOL
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King Mongo Donating Member (564 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 01:13 PM
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7. Israelis don't care what Palestinians want
Rather, they simply take what they want to have and Abbas, like Arafat can either help them or be blamed for not giving.
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QueerJustice Donating Member (457 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 10:23 PM
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9. or the Dead Sea?
:)
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 11:55 PM
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10. I hope that made some sense to someone somewhere...
Cause it made no sense at all to me...

Violet...
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QueerJustice Donating Member (457 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 11:57 PM
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11. I hope it does...
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 11:59 PM
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12. I doubt it...
No offense, but it was a nonsensical line that made zero sense. What was it supposed to mean?

Violet...
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QueerJustice Donating Member (457 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 12:26 AM
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13. King Mongo...
.....repeatedly in his posts refers to the Jews ``pushing ``the Palestinians into the Dead sea/Yam Hamelach....

its a constant theme......
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King Mongo Donating Member (564 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 01:43 AM
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14. Please prove that Israel is not expanding
Edited on Tue Jan-11-05 01:43 AM by King Mongo
Can you prove that such is not happening? For instance, what is the future of East Jerusalem? As everyone knows, since it is no secret, Israel is expanding towards the dead sea.
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