Report: France, Spain trying to remove Hamas from terror list

The London-based Asharq Al Awsat newspaper reported Sunday that Spanish representatives met in Lebanon and Damascus with Hamas operatives to discuss the possibility of removing the group from the European Union's list of terrorist organization.

The EU added Hamas to its list of terror groups about two years ago.

Palestinian sources told the newspaper that France and Spain are "excited" by the possibility of removing Hamas from the list.

According to the report, as soon as Miguel Angel Moratinos became Spanish foreign minister he directed his office to forge contacts with Hamas on the matter. In return, Hamas would grant obligations on a number of diplomatic issues.

Haaretz

(New York's answer to Tom Coburn MD and Dave Walton MD and Bill Frist MD and George Habash MD and Joseph Mengeles MD) for a Nobel Prize (Posthumously) for his work in the South Bronx with poverty kids before he became B'al T'shuva (Born Again) and "cracked."

Who do you think is insulted, and by what?
I can understand that some people will like this and that
others will not, but I don't get "insulting".
Thank you in advance for your response, I promise not to
snap, I'm trying to understand.

I will admit Goldstein was a devil incarnate (even though before he "cracked" he practiced in a chronically underserved, poverty area - South Bronx- that fancy schmanzy docs avoided).

I realize Hamas performs social services and primary education for Palestinians in poverty areas of the Occupation.

I would be among the first Northern Hemisphere people to protest an endowed chair in Goldstein's memory.

And, I am insulted by Spain and France "discuss(ing) the possibility of removing the group (Hamas) from the European Union's list of terrorist organization."

"In return, Hamas would grant obligations on a number of diplomatic issues." BFD.

Hamas does much more than blow things up BUT Tim McVeigh probably donated to charity once or twice doesn't mean he's not a terrorist.

BTW - You know there's a lovely memorial to Goldstein (describing him as a matyr and saint) Kiryat Arba and a Rabbi named Yitzhak Ginsburg, published a memorial book glorifying Goldstein as 'the Saint, may God avenge his blood.'

If Goldstein had killed JEWS at prayer somebody would be in here posting that this glorification of killers PROOVES Israel isn't ready to have a state (just to clarify I don't beleive that I'm taking the piss)

My response: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3228032&mesg_id=3228032

but if you like I'll spell it out.

You shouldn't glorify or downplay what terrorists do (and as I said I totally agree that Hamas should STAY on the terrorism list) - the sick fucks in that community glorify a murderer, frankly they should all be considered terrorists, rounded up by Israel and placed in "adminstrative detention"

that help?

After a long struggle in the High Court, the Judges decided that all the elements surrounding the grave must be removed. The matter of the lettering on the Gravestone will be decided at a future date.

After the Court Decision, hundreds of policemen arrived in Kiryat Arba to destroy the elements around the grave. The Friends of Goldstein, led by Baruch Marzel, Noam Federman, Tiran Polak, and Michael Ben Horin managed to deter the police from destroying the area around the gravesite for a time. Only after many hours and arrests did the police finish their job.

http://www.geocities.com/dr_b_goldstein/kever.htm



There is a group who would like to glorify Goldstein, but it is not the people of Israel or the GOI. Those mentioned (ie. Baruch Marzel, Noam Federman, Tiran Polak, and Michael Ben Horinare) are members of a group that is closely watched by the GOI. The possibility of administrative detention has been made real by Knesset and is a measure that may be taken during disengagement.

so what?? the grave still calls him a matyr and hero, they still worship at his grave - the people there (and many more besides) still view him that way - it doesn't change the point - when Israelis (no-one said ALL Israelis) glorify a terrorist it's just some bad eggs but when palestinians do it, it's evidence of the entire population's brutality.

The people of Kiryat Arba ARE Israelis so your contention that no Israelis glorify him is patently ridiculous.

BTW - was the home of Goldsteins family bulldozed after his massacre?

If Goldstein had killed JEWS at prayer somebody would be in here posting that this glorification of killers PROOVES Israel isn't ready to have a state (just to clarify I don't beleive that I'm taking the piss)

It is rather a twisted argument. Not "A" and not "B" equal not"C".

A more suitable comparison is for example the Passover massacre in which 30 Jews at prayer will murdered by Hamas. That seems to prove that the Palestinians were not (at that time 2002) ready to exist in peace with their own state next to Israel.

http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/MFAArchive/2000_2009/2002/3/Passover+suicide+bombing+at+Park+Hotel+in+Netanya.htm

made it pretty clear that ISN'T my argument - the point being people tend to state that Palestinian atrocities prove they don't deserve a state (or aren't ready in YOUR words) however somehow Jewish atrocities don't - again try READING a post before responding to it because you just provided a very clear example of what I was saying, then again irony passes straight past some people :eyes:

he's gone.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=user_profiles&u_id=148314

. I would be skeptical of this story.

I hope it's not true. My opinion of Spain and France would really plummet.

DTH