Amnesty International asks Rice to investigate the death of Rachel Corrie

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/031605E.shtml

I tell you, if this wasn't happening in MY country I would gaze with equal measures of pity and contempt for the Amnesty people who even though there was the tiniest bit of a ray of hope that a Totalitarian nation like Imperial Amerika would investigate into the death of someone not in THE PARTY.

But I cannot do that, because it is WE who are under the iron boot of BushPutinist Totalitarianism.

And Rachel Corrie was a brave woman deserving of respect, agree or diasagree with her views.

However, as we all know, Busheviks shield the criminals acts of their allies and stooges, such as the Bushevik Antrhax Assassin, who targeted only "Enemies of the State" so naturally they are still walking free and unconcerned, I would imagine.

Now MAYBE if one Bushevik had killed another Bushevik, they might actually do something (although I look at the example of Horst Wessel and I wonder...), but a Bushfriend killed someone who wasn't a member of THE PARTY, a Liberal Enemy of the State whom many Busheviks secretly (and not so secretly) fantasize about killing or imprisoning for their political views anyway.

To put it another way, there is as much chance that Sleezy will investigate as there is the Nazis would investigate SS Guard malfeasance at Treblinka.

EXACTLY that chance. No more and no less.

Rachel Corrie was a child who had no business being in such a volatile, dangrous place. I don't know if you've ever read the article about her death in Mother Jones, but it's pretty clear that the whole thing was a disaster waiting to happen. Even the local Palestinians thought she was reckless.

that was her choice, and whatever the reports of her daily recklessness there, the actual incident where she was killed by the bulldozer is quetsionable and bears further investigation.

For you to say that, I am afraid, is akin to brining up a rape victim's sexual history as a means of discrediting her.

Whatever you think of Ms. Corrie, whatever she did otherwise, she did not deserve to get run over by a bulldozer and if it was truly an accident, let an investigation absolve the bulldozer driver.

But you simply cannot turn away from a possible investigation into wrongdoing of the manslaughter variety because of the "questionable history of the victim".

well i guess your arguement is that we should stay in our houses and not do anything . i suggest you rethink your statement.

by a bulldozer that moves at less than ten miles per hour was her fault? WTF!!!!!!!!

She wasn't "run over" by a bulldozer. She died from injuries sustained from falling debris. The house she was "protecting" was part of an underground system of tunnels. Now, where she knew that or not, is beside the point.

please reference at least 2 credible sources for this info.

"An autopsy found that the cause of Corrie’s death was falling debris." The Jerusalem Post June 26, 2003.

"A misleading photo published by the Associated Press gave the impression that Corrie was standing in front of the bulldozer and shouting at the driver with a megaphone, trying to prevent the driver from tearing down a building in the refugee camp. This photo, which was taken by a member of Corrie’s organization, was not shot at the time of her death, however, but hours earlier. The photographer said that Corrie was actually sitting and waving her arms when she was struck." Christian Science Monitor April 2, 2003

"In fact, the army had told Corrie and other demonstrators from the anti-Israel International Solidarity Movement (ISM) to move out of the way. “It’s possible they were not as disciplined as we would have liked,” admitted Thom Saffold, a founder and organizer of ISM." The Washington Post March 17, 2003

"Corrie swiftly positioned herself between the wall and the bulldozer, then about 30 yards from her. Crouching on the earth, almost like a supplicant in prayer, she placed her right foot behind her left and rested her right knee on the ground. Looking toward the bulletproof windows, she could probably see the silhouettes of two Israeli operators. The steel blade began pushing a huge pile of debris and sandy soil toward her, so close that the scent of the moist earth permeated her nostrils. The ground began to shift beneath her feet. Tom Dale was standing a few yards from Corrie as the bulldozer got close. "The bulldozer built up earth in front of it. Its blade was slightly dug into the earth," he told me. "She began to stand up. The earth was pushed over her feet. She tried to climb on top of the earth, to avoid being overwhelmed. She climbed to the point where her shoulders were above the top lip of the blade. She was standing on this pile of earth. As the bulldozer continued, she lost her footing, and she turned and fell down this pile of earth.

Was it murder? Corrie's colleagues believe that it was. "I never dreamed it'd be like this, the intentional crushing of a human being," ISM eyewitness Joe "Smith" wrote in an affidavit filed with Palestinian human-rights attorneys. "I do believe it was intentional. I saw it, and I know he saw her, I know he did, and I know he knew she was still under the bulldozer when it backed up without raising its blade. I don't know if he wanted to kill her, or if he was just focused on doing his work and didn't care if he killed her or not, I don't know which is scarier." Five other activists testified that the driver must have seen Corrie before mowing her down. A damning sequence of photographs shot by ISM activists and almost immediately released by Reuters appears to show Corrie standing before the bulldozer and addressing the soldiers with her megaphone seconds before being crushed.

Yet "Smith" later gave an interview in which he acknowledged that the bulldozer operator could well have lost sight of Corrie after she tumbled down the dirt pile. And the infamous photo series turned out to be misleading. In fact, the megaphone photo was taken hours before Corrie's death; she had handed the loudspeaker to a colleague some time before she was run over, and she was kneeling, not standing, in front of the machine when she was killed. As newspapers ran corrections, the activists claimed that Reuters had "miscaptioned" the photographs. The episode probably did more to mute anger over Corrie's death than anything else. The ISM activists were widely dismissed as frauds. In reality, they were probably just too young and inexperienced to know that if the media feels burned, it'll turn on you, or worse, ignore you. Mother Jones Magazine Sep/Oct 2003, Vol. 28, Issue 5; page 68 Mother Jones, the magazine of left-liberal activism

Will these do?

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Frustration is all that awaits.

"1. the following sentence of the mother jones article begins...

"“Dooby,” the army reservist WHO RAN CORRIE DOWN, is a Russian immigrant with long experience as a bulldozer operator."
" What does this prove? He did run her over, but it was the falling earth and debris that did her in. He ran her over AFTER the debris had fallen on her and obscured his view.

"2. you still have not referenced your comment on "an underground system of tunnels"" I had no need to reference it. I was saying she was killed by debris not run down like a dog in the street. The fact that she was protecting a house (whether a real one or a set-up for tunnel" is beside the point.

"3. theres nothing about falling debris except in your JPost quote..." Read the Mother Jones' article again. It says that it was the earth that fell on her after she slipped on it. Seems to me that she was buried with earth and other remnants and as the bulldozer backed up the 'scoop' compacted that concoction and compressed her.

However, this could have been avoided had she moved out of the way. There is "right" and "dead right" and that is even subjective. Personally, I hope there is an investigation, but anything less than "proving" she was a martyr will be decried as a cover-up. It is tragic when ANY civilian is killed, but she knew the risks and paid with her life.

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I didn't and don't hate her. I have no reason to hate her. Seems to me this is a violation of rule #7 of the 25 rules of Disinformation: question motives.

Generally, people understand that the phrase to "run someone down like a dog" means that one had no regard for the person who was "run down." This term can be literal or figurative. Furthermore, it doesn't imply that the person "run down" was a dog, but rather treated with contempt. If one stated, "the shooter gunned down the Pope like a dog," it would imply that the shooter used his weapon as if the Pope were an animal. It doesn't imply the Pope IS an animal, but rather how he was treated. Therefore, when I said; "...she was killed by debris not run down like a dog in the street., most people would see this statement as she was killed one way and not killed by a malicious and deliberate act.

Taking a quote out of context is also disingenuous. E.G.
the Palestinians have NO BUSINESS being there
idontwantaname March 2005 -- This is a completely INACCURATE and INAPPROPRIATE use of your actual quote "i suppose you feel the Palestinians have NO BUSINESS being there either huh?" Partial quotes are dangerous territory.

aerial photos of line by line Rafah house demolitions along the egypt border.

2001
http://www.p4pd.org/rafahmaps-1apr01.html

2003
http://www.p4pd.org/rafahmaps-1dec03.html





http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article2704.shtml

While Israel claims that its military operations in Rafah are motivated by "security reasons", numerous reports from human rights organisations paint a picture of arbitrary shootings of residents, including children, and nightly firing at border homes from Israeli watchtowers. Three internationals — Rachel Corrie (peace activist, US), Tom Hurndall (photographer, UK), and James Miller (cameraman, UK) — have been killed by Israeli troops in Rafah.

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"According to Article 147 of the Fourth Geneva Convention, 'extensive destruction and appropriation of property, not justified by military necessity and carried out unlawfully and wantonly' is a grave breach, and hence, a war crime."<6>


6. Israel and the Occupied Territories: Under the rubble: House demolition and destruction of land and property, Amnesty International report MDE 15/040/2004, 18 May 2004.

from brutal Israeli repression.

Maybe it was "reckless," but that makes what she did only more admirable.

Rachel Corrie did not deserve to die, but she had NO BUSINESS being where she was, doing what she was doing, and she paid the price. I have sympathy for her parents (partly for having such a schmuck for a child), but there isn't a lot left over for Rachel, herself...

The Israeli army has already classified it as an accident and verifiable data about it is non-existent at this point. Witnesses are notoriously unreliable in general, and in the Middle East, even more so IMO.

She did a dumb thing and she died. Some of us have done things at the same level of dumbness and lived. There is a certain amount of randomness in nature.

Nothing to see or do here, lets move on to something that may have some hope of changing things for the better.

much like Bush dismisses Abu Ghriab.


"Nothing to see or do here, lets move on to something that may have some hope of changing things for the better."

but yet you call her a schmuck...nice progressive attitude there, buddy :eyes:

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do you feel people like Giuliana Sgrena have no business being in Iraq?

i suppose you feel the Palestinians have NO BUSINESS being there either huh?

It is wrong to oppose collective punishment?

child, and she was nonviolently protesting Israel's barbaric treatment of Palestinians, who had nothing to do with suicide bombers. She was defending the home of a Palestinian pharmacist.

Find out more about Rachel Corrie at If Americans Knew http://www.ifamericansknew.org/cur_sit/rachelposter.html and Rachel Corrie.org http://www.rachelcorrie.org/

She was idealistic and probably passionet in here beliefs, but she confused a civil rights protest with a military operation.

The IDF is involved in a war in Gaza, military operations are designed to be successful whether or not life is lost in the process.

The principle behind the IDF military operations are to prevent further deaths of either israelis or IDF soldiers. Hence a failed operation in fact further endagers both israelis or IDF soldiers-thats the principle.

consequently her protests which were designed to risk her life to stop a military operation which was designed to save my life and others like me (in this case indirectly) was a losing proposition.

Could AI be playing a cruel political game - raising the issue to put Condi and her NeoCon sponsors and Sharon on the spot -- to embarrass Condi (who they may regard as being as much a neocon thug as the VP)?

Playing the GOP-NeoCon game on the GOP-NeoCons?

I.e. - if you (Condi) "don't find the results we are looking for ... then you are guilty of being a PNAC NeoCon thug until you affirmatively prove your innocence."

The AI and ICRC folks like Condi and the NeoCons even less then they like Sharon (they like the present US Administration even less then they like the Likud) - and with the neoCons at the wheel of the US - nothing surprises me.

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