Famous anti-Semitic forgery removed from PA website

One of the most infamous anti-Semitic forgeries was removed from a Palestinian internet site Wednesday after a Jewish group complained about it.

The "Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion," a 19th-century forgery purporting to spell out the Jewish plot to take control of the finances of the world, appeared on the State Information Service Web site, affiliated with the Palestinian Authority. The link to the document was found on a page with a list of legitimate historical sources about Zionism.

The New York-based Anti-Defamation League (ADL) wrote to the Palestinian Authority, protesting the presentation of the document and demanding its removal, the group said in a statement, calling it "the classic in racist and paranoid literature" and a "hoax which continues to poison and frighten minds."

By Wednesday afternoon, the link and the document were no longer on the site. No explanation was given and Palestinian officials were not available for comment about the change.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/577650.html

Hooray!

Extremist lefties and extremist righties and racists and outside agitators and rabble rousers and perfessers who don't have anything practical to perfess and book bag tottin' pointy headed pseudo intellectual gad flys with no value add - butt out.

What would make me say such an outrageous thing?

Well, it's simple.

The Protocols contain the template for just about all of the Conservative rhetoric used by politicians in the United States -- andmuch of the world -- since World War One. Once that document was translated -- by Victor Marsden, who inserted the word "Learned" to clarify the meaning of an archaic Russian word -- it spread like memetic wildfire.

Most Americans are ignorant that fully half of the political landscape has been sculpted by a hundred-year-old political forgery issued by the pre-Soviet Czarist secret police. One read through The Protocols, considering the words "Jew" and "Goy" as variables (in the mathematical sense), and you'll find nearly every contemporary damnfool right-wing idea excepting maybe Black Helicopters and Mind Control.

If you have any interest in the manipulation of language and meaning, The Protocols is a must-read. A pathetic, hateful must-read, but a must-read, none the less. Additional notes on The Protocols and its history can be found at Nizkor.org and other anti-revisionist sites.

The point of this?

Read.

Weep.

Learn.

--p!

Of course, it should never have been up in the first place, but it is a positive development that it has been removed.

This kind of slander against one people does no credit to those who promote it. Let's hope that promotion of this kind of "literature" soon becomes a thing of the past throughout the Arab world.

This is a tremendous step.

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If that's what you call a "tremendous" step, what adjective would you have used if they actually did something that wasn't just merely stepping up to acceptable standards of tolerance but was actually really bold and praiseworthy? I guess you could always fortify it with super duper.

Because it removes yet another barrier separating people from talking.

To me this is progress. There are obviously still things both sides can do to keep moving forward. As for "super-duper", there will be no such step in the conflict resolution. Peace will be accomplished most likely thru many baby-steps and not huge changes.

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I've never been able to find it. Even the keyword 'protokoly' gets me nowhere.

Thanks.

One version,of the Russian book;

"Velikoe v Malom (The Great in the Small: The Coming of the Anti-Christ and the Rule of Satan on Earth)"
http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/biography/nilus_s/nilus_s.html

Or
"The Great in the Little and the Antichrist as a Near Political Possibility."

"Nilus produced a very good impression on Helena Ozerov and the rest of the Court who were opposed to Philipp. Thanks to the aid of these persons, he was enabled to publish in 1902 the first edition of the Protocols with an appendix on his own religions experiences. The book was entitled "The Great in the Little and the Antichrist as a Near Political Possibility." A copy of it was presented to the Czar and Czarina. At the same time the adversaries of Philipp arranged the marriage between Nilus and Mlle. Ozerov and the ordination of Nilus into the priesthood. Arrangements were also being made to establish Nilus as the confessor of the Czar. Things looked so promising that Nilus had already ordered priestly garments."

http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/biography/nilus_s/chayla.html

bigots.

they deserve much of there reputation. However that is not to say they have the same reputation to which you are referring.

What is the bigotry directed at them?

and, what are they like in reality?

There may be a cultural difference here in the definition of freemasons, as i am certainly not a bigot, yet am deeply suspicious of the English variety, due to the long history of misdeed and class oppression they have in this country.

with Jewish people.

I doubt if many people even know a Mason! I don't think I know any Masons, but since they're supposedly secret who can say?

I believe here, they're one of many groups such as Lions and Rotarians and Shriners and Moose and Elk, who wear strange headgear at their parties and do good deeds. I have performed (when I was an entertainer) at some social events involving these groups. Some have money and are into promoting business in their communities. No doubt, some of these groups are influential within their communities.

Weren't Masons originally a craft guild? These of course had some economic power back in Medieval days. Sometimes I wish we still had such things, apprenticeship systems for artists and craftspeople. It was a way of teaching and preserving skills as well as providing job security? Like unions?

I know that Mozart was supposedly a Mason, and I think some of our Founding Fathers as well. Can you explain more?

I'm curious, how have Masons oppressed people in Britain? Were craft guilds in and of themselves oppressive?

Class oppression must be different in Britain than it is here? Our history is so much shorter and we rebelled against that social structure.

Nevertheless anybody who DOESN'T think we have a class structure in America hasn't gone to a tony WASP college (trying unsuccessfully not to look too - you know - unWASPy:)

But, beyond that, I think a lot of us fear we're developing an oligarchy, aristocracy of the purse, and that it's getting harder to move up or even keep from moving DOWN, economically and therefore socially.

Is that the case in Britain? It's confusing to an American because the British seem to institutionalize class and even relish it!
And MANY Americans, including this particular American, like to watch the Royals on the tube, or the rituals (so sue me) involving horses, castles, cathedrals and amazing hats:) So are Masons part of that somehow?

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A sidenote on the "Protocols" - Henry Ford at one point, put an English translation into the the glove box of every car he sold:(

The sad thing is, people still believe the "protocols" are REAL, that they are in fact "evidence" of Jewish/Masonic conspiracies to Dominate The World.

There are a distressing number of websites out there promoting this idea. Of course it's a favorite topic both with NeoNazis and leftist conspiracy theorists alike.

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Also, if you have a moment, can you explain "British liberalism"? Is it different from American liberalism? I'm confused, because I thought "Labour" is liberal, yet Tony Blair is supportive of Bush and his foreign policy (or maybe even helped craft and/or promote it).

Is there a point at which "liberalism" ends and Foreign Policy begins?

anywhere. It's weird that everyone claims 'it were the Okhrana wot dunnit' but nobody ever mentions the title as published. Annoying.

It's 10 pm, have you done your pogram today?

idiomatic idiosyncrasies.

with the essence not being present. :shrug:

Must be in the eye of the beholder.

To his book, "Bliz Yest, Pri Dverekh" (It Is Near, Right at the Door) later in 1911.

You can also order it here:

http://www.eastview.com/xq/ASP/sku=A2036510/f_locale=/Nilus/SA/Sankt/Peterburg/Russia/Russian/qx/russian/books/product.asp

Or possibly from the publisher direct, though I didn't see this book in their catalog.

http://www.satis.spb.ru/index.htm

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I assume that it's probably floating around somewhere on the net in the original Russian, and that I could find it if only I knew what the title is. It seems unreasonable that I haven't been able to turn up even a mention of it no matter what words I've searched on, so I've begun to wonder whether the English version of the title could be a second-generation translation (e.g., from German) with the original being something one would never expect. Russian, like English, has been accepting word-immigration for so long that it's an extremely rich language.

However, I personally think there is not much to be learned from reading it in the original.

As for Russian version of the protocols, no I do not think it's a translation of a translation as it went straight from the Russian into an English translation. However, the Russian work copied over large chunks from earlier German writings which in turn had roots in the Medievel blood libel.

There was a book published in London by Lucien Wolf in 1920 which exposed it as a fraud, and an expose by the London Times in 1921 which added to this. So it had entered the English language fairly early on and recognized for the crap it was.

A nice background for those interested.

http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mzionprotocol.html

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