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Sinti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 12:59 AM
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Is this graphical representation of 77's final approach correct?
Edited on Sun Aug-27-06 01:00 AM by Sinti
Do we know? Is it the commonly accepted, government approved version of the final flight path? Also, when he crossed 395 do we have any clue as to his approximate altitude?



Edited to add:

Bigger version here.

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Jazz2006 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 02:00 AM
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1. Perhaps you can compare it to the data and raw data
that Mike Williams recently received pursuant to his FOIA request, and perhaps you can also find the answer to your second question therein.

You'll find the data here:

http://www.911myths.com/html/ntsb_release_august_22_2006.html

Documents 1, 2, 4 and 6 in particular.

I assume you've seen the previously released data that is duplicated in document #5 since the photo that you posted in the opening post seems to come from that.

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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 02:24 AM
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2. I'm curious. Why do you ask? nt
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 05:07 AM
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3. It looks like it was just released
make7 has it in a post here with link, it is now the "official" version, replacing another version.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=81575&mesg_id=107523


Unless that is where you got it and I am no help whatsoever. It looks like it is as official as anything that is released by the Pentagon can be considered official.
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Sinti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 11:41 AM
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4. Thanks, I never saw that post - I'm so used to unhelpful robot chatter
Edited on Sun Aug-27-06 11:42 AM by Sinti
that I must have just skipped it. Also, I haven't paid attention to 77 too much, it didn't strike me as the alley to search for the smoking gun. I seriously thought they took the river approach to National Airport and then veered wildly off course.

That is so freaky it can't be correct, they must be off. I lived at the time at the spot where it crosses Route 7, basically where the two yellow lines meet. That would be "King Street", one block from my home at that time. I should have seen him twice, along with a whole lot of other folks. This is 15 miles or less from the Pentagon, I would figure he was rapidly descending on the second fly over.

Do you know, has anyone said he flew over Ft. Belvoir?

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Make7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 12:39 PM
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5. 01000110 01110101 01100011 01101011 00100000 01001111 01100110 01100110
- Make7
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 12:51 PM
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6. Do you know approx where Ft. Belvoir is on that topographical map?
Wish I could help out here, but I am very unfamiliar with that area.

Here's an old CBS article:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/09/11/national/main310721.shtml
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 01:08 PM
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8. good article , Hope, It gives a reason for the spiral
At 9:33 the plane crossed the Capitol Beltway and took aim on its military target. But the jet, flying at more than 400 mph, was too fast and too high when it neared the Pentagon at 9:35. The hijacker-pilots were then forced to execute a difficult high-speed descending turn.

Radar shows Flight 77 did a downward spiral, turning almost a complete circle and dropping the last 7,000 feet in two-and-a-half minutes.

The steep turn was so smooth, the sources say, it's clear there was no fight for control going on. And the complex maneuver suggests the hijackers had better flying skills than many investigators first believed.


not that I necessarily believe it. The intent, I think, is to confuse.
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 03:10 PM
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16. I think a lot of the info we were fed back then
and continue to be fed is in the service of confusion. I think the recently released video of the pentagon hit served this purpose excellently.
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seatnineb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 03:20 PM
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17. Nice one Miranda......I always liked this part of the article..........
Edited on Sun Aug-27-06 03:21 PM by seatnineb
...highlighted below......


Radar shows Flight 77 did a downward spiral, turning almost a complete circle and dropping the last 7,000 feet in two-and-a-half minutes.


If radar showed that fl77 did a downward spiral.......

Then the radar would have needed to know fl77's altitude......

But how could the radar have displayed fl77's altitude.......if fl77's transponder was turned off!
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 03:54 PM
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18. A 3-D air search radar can determine altitude ...
without a transponder.
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seatnineb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 05:12 PM
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19. Yeah....that is a miltary transponder.
Edited on Sun Aug-27-06 05:14 PM by seatnineb

Air-Defense Radars can detect air targets and determine their position, course, and speed in a relatively large area. The maximum range of Air-Defense Radar can exceed 300 miles, and the bearing coverage is a complete 360-degree circle. Air-Defense Radars are usually divided into two categories, based on the amount of position information supplied. Radar sets that provide only range and bearing information are referred to as two-dimensional, or 2D, radars. Radar sets that supply range, bearing, and height are called three-dimensional, or 3D, radars.



http://www.radartutorial.eu/02.basics/rp11.en.html


I don't see any reference to military radars in the CBS article....do you?



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Sinti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 01:25 PM
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9. Belvoir is in the lowest part of the loop, with Rt. 1 on the right,
Fairfax Parkway on the left , and the train tracks in the middle. Those train tracks run into Belvoir. They call it Jack Herrity Pkwy or something - my eyes aren't good enough to be certain of the spelling there - but I've never heard it called that it's either Fairfax Parkway or Rt. 7100. They have very little in that area in the way of landmarks, roads etc, for me to be sure of it's precise location in that graphic. If he didn't fly over it, he came damn close.

Thanks for the link, it appears from what they say that he would have been quite low when crossing over my neighborhood the second time, and basically in a spiral dive. It boggles my mind - this would have been like the mother ship landing in my neighborhood, hundreds of people would have seen it and been fascinated/outraged/confused/amazed. It would have been the damn talk of the town for months.

Ft. Belvoir, FWIW, is one of the places where we have 24 hour crews sitting underground at computer screens with input codes to send up the nukes. I've known folks who did this job, 72 on - 72 off, it's a killer and wears you out fast. They don't welcome visitors much, if you know what I mean.
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 03:08 PM
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15. From what you are saying, Sinti
it appears that the published flight path may well be questionable. This wouldn't surprise me, since, sadly, I think pretty much everything the gov tells us is suspect.

If the published path is in error, why do you tink they did not publish the real path?
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 08:35 PM
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20. from the cbs article
At the White House Friday, spokesman Ari Fleischer saw it a different way.

"That is not the radar data that we have seen," Fleischer said, adding, "The plane was headed toward the White House."


Confusion yes......
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 01:03 PM
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7. I think Old and In the Way studies it
so maybe he will show up and discuss. I tend to disbelieve it because they changed it, why would they do that. I'm more interested in the people who were allegedly ON flight 77 and where they worked, strangely all related to the DoD or NASA somehow.
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Sinti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 01:32 PM
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11. Honestly, there is enough strangeness in the story that if you try to see
Edited on Sun Aug-27-06 01:35 PM by Sinti
everything it will make you blind. It's like going to the bar, you've gotta pick your poison, if you try to drink some of everything they've got you'll wind up sick on the floor with your head spinning out of control and not knowing how you got there. Why would they change it though, especially to show it going over this highly populated area in a 'downward spiral,' that really doesn't make sense.

It's kind of funny, we all thought it was one of our rare earthquakes, until we got to a TV. Apparently some folks in the Pentagon said they didn't feel the impact at all... I have to call BS on that. Dead men probably felt the impact.
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RedSock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 01:29 PM
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10. These Do Not Seem To Match


and



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Make7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 01:34 PM
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12. That second flight path map is not from an official source.
Edited on Sun Aug-27-06 01:46 PM by Make7
Here is a webpage where the person who apparently created that version explains how he did it.

http://www.thepowerhour.com/911_analysis/steves-analysis.htm

- Make7
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RedSock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 02:03 PM
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13. Thanks
Thanks for that, though it looks like that guy used mainstream news reports to construct it.



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seatnineb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 02:29 PM
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14. Don't forget Ken Ford.........
Edited on Sun Aug-27-06 02:30 PM by seatnineb
This guy was usin' binoculars to watch the UFO (AKA flight 77)..........

In the words of Ken Ford............

We were watching the airport through binoculars, Ford said, referring to Reagan National Airport, a short distance away.
The plane was a two-engine turbo prop that flew up the river from National. Then it turned back toward the Pentagon. We thought it had been waved off and then it hit the building.

http://www.delawareonline.com/newsjournal/local/2001/09/pdf/09112001EXTRA2.pdf

The above is testimony which contradicts the official trajectory in a big way........as you can see....according to the 9/11 Omm report.....flight 77 never flew up the river.........



I tend to believe Ken Ford more than the 9/11 Omm.....seeing as Ken Ford gave his testimony on 9/12/01...........

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