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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 04:53 AM
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who is Ben-Veniste---Watergate, Whitewater, 9-11 Commission??
In the Watergate investigation he was a 'good guy,' I thought, working hard to get the info.

The RW seems to think he was a 'cover up artist' in the Whitewater investigation and on the subject of Vince Foster.

And he seemed to be playing 'support the OCT' on the 9-11 Commission.

So what's going on????
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 05:39 AM
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1. Watergate could have been a cover up as well
Edited on Fri Oct-06-06 05:55 AM by DrDebug
The burglary was only the top of the iceberg. There is much more to Watergate and many believe that it was directly connected to the John F. Kennedy assassination, because the plumber units were Operation 40 people (group which was headed by Richard Nixon) and the JFK assassination has many Operation 40 players as well.

There are a number of indication that Watergate could have been related to JFK as well, because the DNC chairperson was Larry O'Brien, John F. Kennedy's and Lyndon B. Johnson's assistent and working for Howard Hughes as well, so the main reason could well have been to get rid off any documents which he had in his office concerning the JFK assassination. Overall the office at Watergate not very important, and the timing is odd as well because it was June 17, 1972. And the plumber group consisted of the top guys of Operation 40 and you wouldn't use a top team to place a simple bug.

Possible Nixon-terminology:
"Bay of Pigs" = "JFK assassination"
"Cubans" = "Watergate burglars"
"Texans" = George H.W. Bush, James Baker and Al Haig


It seems that in all of those Nixon references to the Bay of Pigs, he was actually referring to the Kennedy assassination

H. R. Haldeman, The Ends of Power (1978)

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKschorr.htm



I was puzzled when he (Nixon) told me, 'Tell Ehrlichman this whole group of Cubans is tied to the Bay, of Pigs.'

After a pause I said, 'The Bay of Pigs? What does that have to do with this?'

But Nixon merely said, 'Ehrlichman will know what I mean,' and dropped the subject.

After our staff meeting the next morning I accompanied Ehrlichman to his office and gave him the President's message. Ehrlichman's eyebrows arched, and he smiled. `Our brothers from Langley? He's suggesting I twist or break a few arms?'

'I don't know. All he told me was "Tell Ehrlichman this whole group of Cubans is tied to the Bay of Pigs".'

H. R. Haldeman, The Ends of Power (1978)

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKhaldeman.htm


"Tell Ehrlichman this whole group of Watergate burglars is tied to the JFK assassination"

Watergate was basically CIA versus FBI. So they could have exposed one part to hide the real thing (because the FBI didn't want to JFK assassination to go public either, since they played a role in the cover up)
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-06-06 06:42 AM
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2. The FBI vs CIA aspect of Watergate
Edited on Fri Oct-06-06 07:01 AM by DrDebug

Edna in casual clothing

The FBI was ruled by J. Edgar Hoover for a long time. Edna was anything but a saint, and he was clearly been pressured to cover up lots of things like JFK, mafia, etc. Because he was corruptable, he made sure that he in turn could corrupt everybody else, so he kept files on everybody of any importance. Hoover never liked the CIA because they were clearly involved in domestic affairs and that was the role of his agency.

Hoover plays a very strange role in JFK, and it took me a while to understand it, but it was Alex Jones's JFK II which made it clear. The morning of November 23, 1963, you'll see that Hoover has severe doubts about Oswald being the culprit and more or less calls what later became the official investigation an incredibly unlikely scenario ( http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=2310 )

Then he sends somebody to talk with George H.W. Bush on the same day, November 23, 1963 (so Edgar quickly figured out what group/person could have been behind it) and as a result he writes a memo on November 29, 1963 and the subject of the memo is: ASSASSINATION OF JOHN F. KENNEDY, NOVEMBER 22, 1963



If you read it, it is a memo saying: "Okay you (CIA and DIA) might have gotten away with JFK, but if you think that you can use it against Cuba also then the FBI (and the State Department) will take action against you. And he adds a carbon copy to the Naval Intelligence as well, because Oswald was probably Naval Intelligence.

Another weird thing is that the memo has never been classified which doesn't make sense considering its content, so it could have been intended to use against the CIA/DIA.

So on May 2, 1972 J. Edgar Hoover finally retires and the CIA think that now is their opportunity because Clyde destroys all the files which J. Edgar Hoover had.

The operational head of the FBI at the time of the Watergate burglary was Mark Felt and ...

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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-07-06 01:15 AM
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4. well, isn't THAT interesting....
"some misguided group"...lol, he should be around today!
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-07-06 01:07 AM
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3. The problem with BV on the 911 Commission IMO
is that his law firm also represents United Airlines . A 911 widow Ellen Mariani is suing United for her husband's death . Obviously , digging deep is not in the best interest of the airlines. Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw kazakhstan also represent The Israel Group and are involved in
Kazakhstan petroleum arbitration. Oh, and Enron...
I heard him on the Ed Schultz ("former" republican)Show and Schultz was kissing his ass and said he was "ashamed" to ask but had to ask about building 7 (why ashamed???) and BenVeniste immediately launched into "conspiracy theories" and how bad they were and did not say ANYTHING about what happened to building 7. Schultz gave him a pass.
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 01:13 AM
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5. More about BenVeniste
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1294206

Minstrel Boy post from awhile ago:

Interesting stuff here from Sander Hicks:

...what makes Ben-Veniste such an intriguing player on the 9/11 Commission (The National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States) is his experience with rogue drug-running CIA operatives. Ben-Veniste defended Barry Seal, the notorious smuggler who flew C-123 military cargo planes filled with cocaine into Mena, Arkansas on behalf of the contras.

Al Qaeda's lead 9/11 hijacker, Mohamed Atta, was allegedly partying with CIA-connected pilots while he got his flight training in fall/winter 2000 at Huffman Aviation in Venice, Fla., where two of the other 9/11 hijacker pilots trained. Atta wasn't acting much like a holy martyr: He wore jeans and sneakers, played video games, bought himself a red Pontiac and was said to be a hedonist. The Press posed the question to Ben-Veniste: If Atta belonged to the fundamentalist Muslim group, why was he snorting cocaine and frequenting strip bars?

"You know," said Ben-Veniste, as he smiled a little. "That's a heck of a question."

The source of this information about Atta and cocaine is Amanda Keller, Atta's American ex-girlfriend, according to Daniel Hopsicker, an investigative journalist who has spent two years researching Huffman and its ties to the CIA. It took Hopsicker a year, but he tracked Keller down. Like many other witnesses who knew Atta, Keller says she has been harassed by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement. Keller has not been called as a witness by the 9/11 Commission.


http://www.911citizenswatch.org/print.php?sid=82

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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 06:21 PM
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6. thanks one and all -- I remember him as the 'good guy' in Watergate
and Fred Thompson (the republican counsel) as the possible 'bad guy.' Then Thompson became a rep congressman and later an actore on Law and Order. (It always bugs me to see him there.)
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