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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-14-06 10:59 PM
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Breathtaking : Police telling Federal Reserve employees return to WTC bldg
after the plane hit.

Why would the Federal Reserve employees be solo-ed out to go back in to the World Trade Center and ultimately be led back into their death?

From "Seven Days in September".

http://911blogger.com/blog
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-14-06 11:01 PM
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1. Context would be helpful ...

At that point of the morning, a lot of people were being told to go back to their offices, some as they entered the lobbies or even as they were initially leaving their offices. This is probably a part of that general trend, and, yes, it resulted in a lot of deaths.

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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-14-06 11:10 PM
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2. "Context" didn't help the murdered, did it?
Edited on Sat Oct-14-06 11:10 PM by shance
There was no reason for ANYONE to be directed back into those buildings. It was unprecedented after the scale that had happened to both buildings.

It was potential homicide. Maybe even intentional.

Please don't insulte me with the "incompetence" lie. Don't even try.

Whoever directed them back into those buildings knew they would be in danger.

In fact, they probably knew more.
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-14-06 11:15 PM
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3. Chill out ...

Geezus. You asked "why?" I suggested that context would be helpful to determining why.

Apparently your question was rhetorical, and you've already made up your mind and are just wanting people to spar with you. Sorry to have attempted to insert some reasonable inquiry into ... whatever this is.

Have a nice night.


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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-14-06 11:23 PM
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5. Roy I don't need you to tell me to chill.
Edited on Sat Oct-14-06 11:26 PM by shance
You disagree fine. Don't post on this thread. It's that simple.

Your post was intrusive and condescending.

What happened on 9/11 hits very close to home for me. Apparently you are fine with the story you've been told by the White House. I'm not.

Feel free to post elsewhere if you have a problem with what was posted.
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-14-06 11:35 PM
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9. My, you are a presumptuous one ...

Careful with those leaps of logic. You'll end up in a ravine.

I'll say this part once. Don't you *dare* tell me how I am to feel about 9/11 nor imply that your personal experience is more tragic than my own. You know *nothing* about me, and I'll thank you to keep your assumptions to yourself.

My initial post was in no way, shape, or form condescending. I stated a simple fact, to wit that context would be helpful. And, it would be, but apparently that means nothing. So be it.

But I'll take your advice and post elsewhere since you apparently have no intention of engaging in a rational dialog. I didn't realize one needed an invitation to post or disagree on DU (and I wasn't disagreeing with anything initially, actually, so I have no idea where that comes from), but since that seems to be the case, I'll make further inquiry for clarification on the current rules.



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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-14-06 11:31 PM
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7. No. They didn't.
Because the one thing everyone DID KNOW was that terrorists had struck the towers before and the building was fine. Explosives in the basement and the building stood just fine.

You are seeing with hindsight. The people on the scene did NOT imagine the towers falling.

And they probably thought it was safer inside than on the street with the debris and possibly live wires. And itsy bitsy body parts.

NOW no one would ever ask people to go back into a building. NOW we know what can happen. THEN we didn't. And I get really tired of this crap posing as wisdom.

So far as I'm concerned, this is deliberately planted disinformation with the intention of muddying the waters and defusing blame.

And I don't like it.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-14-06 11:43 PM
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12. Deliberately planted? Because you don't agree with it?
Edited on Sat Oct-14-06 11:43 PM by shance
Do you sound the alarm and cry fowl with every post you don't like?

That's disappointing to say the least.

The building was obviously for whatever reason NOT fine.

Do you realize how soon they told them to go back into the building after a supposed 757 HIT THE TOWER??
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 12:09 AM
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15. I don't think anything was so "obvious" on 9/11
Edited on Sun Oct-15-06 12:11 AM by high density
The obvious thing was that the procedure at the time was a "defend in place" strategy which means those immediately affected by the fire leave the area while those not affected wait for help to arrive. The building wasn't expected to collapse as the result of a fire.

I haven't heard of anybody being told to go "back into the building," but I have heard the reports of people in the south tower who went down to the lobby and then returned to their offices before the second plane hit. Evidently some were convinced by security guards or a PA recording that everything was alright in 2 WTC. Hindsight is 20/20...
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 12:19 AM
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16. If you haven't heard of reports, then watch the movie. See for yoursel
n/t
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 04:00 AM
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19. Funny, they were sure quick to evacuate WTC 7
Most of WTC 7 was evacuated before the 2nd Tower was hit.

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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 06:49 PM
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25. The buildings were not just fine in 1993
both towers were filled with smoke and had to be completely evacuated.

After that they were not sure that the buildings were stable, even though they didn't collapse that time. It was at least a couple of months before tenants were allowed back into the buildings after the attack because of the extensive repairs that had to be done to make the structure safe.

BTW: WTC 7 was evacuated before the 2nd plane hit but at WTC 2 people were told to go back to their desks. The PA would have been in charge of security and communications for both buildings.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-14-06 11:19 PM
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4. This is REALLY reaching for it.
There is absolutely nothing to be gained by killing low level Federal Reserve employees.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-14-06 11:24 PM
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6. I'm not saying that however, how do you know they were low level?
Edited on Sat Oct-14-06 11:25 PM by shance
And more importantly, why would they be instructed to go back into a building where TWO JETS WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE JUST HIT BOTH BUILDINGS?
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 08:21 AM
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17. Did ANY ranking officials or appointed officials in the Federal Reserve
die on 9/11? Without proof to the contrary, I would venture not.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 02:34 AM
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18. You bring the proof as well. The truth is we don't have the information.
That in and of itself should speak volumes.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 08:35 AM
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20. Ummm...No.
The burden of proof is not on me to disprove a conspiracy. I don't recall any major Federal Reserve officials dying and no one has claimed that any did.
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-14-06 11:33 PM
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8. Who here, when told to go back to a burning building, would do so?
How much of a herd/follower mentality would that have to take?
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-14-06 11:38 PM
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10. I think those of us who trust the police department.
Edited on Sun Oct-15-06 12:03 AM by shance
They wouldn't send us back into a dangerous building, would they?

Perhaps they would if the police were being instructed to tell people of the Federal Reserve to return to their office.

You make a good point, although when something like this happens, when we are traumatized, we will believe anyone who we think makes us feel safe.

We are much more impressionable.

And as such, much more vulnerable.
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Tulum_Moon Donating Member (556 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-14-06 11:46 PM
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14. I don't think anybody went back after the second plane.
But I do have scary thoughts about the ones that did go back after the first plane hit. Who would tell them to go back? And Why?
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sce56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-14-06 11:38 PM
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11. Public's Right To Know - Declassification and Release of Documents
See http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2394455&mesg_id=2394455

About an online peteition regarding the recently disclosed meeting between Condi and Tenet on 10 July 2001



Got Fascism Yet?
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-14-06 11:44 PM
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13. Thanks SCE*
n/t
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One_Life_To_Give Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 02:13 PM
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21. It's called Defend in Place
I assume this is in reference to the employees who attempted to evacuate from the undamaged tower. Sending people out into the streets with debries still falling would be a foolish thing to do. Unless you were clairvoyant.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 05:02 AM
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23. They could have directed to go out the north and west sides
of the building, which was away from the damage on WTC2.

Once again, while they were telling people to stay put in WTC1, they had already evacuated WTC 7. Why?

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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 12:01 AM
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22. Add that to the locked roof exits, the PA announcements, the freshly
installed elevator door locks, and you get a pattern of calculated mass murder.
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Make7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 05:47 PM
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24. This whole discussion appears to be based on an incorrect assumption.
Edited on Tue Nov-21-06 05:51 PM by Make7
The police officer in the video clip says:

"Clear the area. Federal Reserve employees go back in the building. All Federal Reserve employees go back to the building please. Federal Reserve employees back to the building please."

There is nothing to indicate that the building being referred to is any one of the WTC buildings. In fact, there is good reason to believe that the officer is not referring to the WTC.

The person that filmed that segment, explains his location as being on Maiden Street east of Broadway. This is confirmed by the following screen capture:



The tenant of the top 13 floors of 33 Maiden Street is the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. Located one block south of that building is the head office of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York at 33 Liberty Street. Both of these buildings are closer to the police officer shown in 7 Days in September (at ~0:09:30) than the WTC.

Is it not more likely that the building the Federal Reserve employees were being instructed to return to were their own offices?

- Make7
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