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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 04:40 PM Original message |
Where do we presently stand on WTC demo theories? |
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wildbilln864 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 04:50 PM Response to Original message |
1. try again! |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 04:57 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Which one isn't true? |
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wildbilln864 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 05:02 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Good questions, hack! |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 05:17 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. There has to be an investigation .. |
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wildbilln864 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 05:22 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. well, I hope it.... |
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DoYouEverWonder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 05:37 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. We need a real criminal investigation |
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Athelwulf (342 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 01:49 AM Response to Reply #4 |
23. Is this to say Bush did it? |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 08:07 AM Response to Reply #23 |
29. No, I'm pretty sure he's talking about |
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Generarth (309 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 05:20 PM Response to Original message |
5. In my view Hack89 and demolition |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 05:23 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. ??? nt |
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Anarcho-Socialist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 06:03 PM Response to Reply #5 |
12. What on earth... ? n/t |
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MervinFerd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 05:31 PM Response to Original message |
8. I don't think these theories explain the 'evidence'. |
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DoYouEverWonder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 05:40 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. So are you saying |
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MervinFerd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 06:30 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. To get evidence visible outside the bldg, you need -lots- of explosives. |
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wildbilln864 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 06:21 PM Response to Reply #8 |
14. Yes yes... |
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DoYouEverWonder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 05:34 PM Response to Original message |
9. More likely |
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MervinFerd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 06:19 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. Yes, a combination--structural damage and fires. |
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wildbilln864 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 06:49 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. yes.... |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 09:21 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Couple of points |
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MervinFerd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 10:32 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. This certainly deserves a response. |
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jschurchin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 11:53 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. I really don't think....... |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 07:46 AM Response to Reply #22 |
26. modern freeway overpass girders |
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jschurchin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 08:05 AM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Thanks for the input Vincent. |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 09:46 AM Response to Reply #28 |
33. Temperature alone is meaningless. |
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jschurchin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 12:04 PM Response to Reply #33 |
46. I really would like to see that. |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 02:01 PM Response to Reply #46 |
55. If you need a link to understand the concept |
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jschurchin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 02:16 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. I understand the concept |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 02:23 PM Response to Reply #57 |
61. The NIST report would be your best bet |
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jschurchin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 02:36 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. I have read the report |
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MervinFerd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 10:53 AM Response to Reply #28 |
40. Are you -determined- to miss the obvious point? |
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DoYouEverWonder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 01:54 PM Response to Reply #40 |
54. Then just show us a picture |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 02:03 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. Why pics can be faked right? |
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DoYouEverWonder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 02:19 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. FEMA has 100's of pictures |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 02:21 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. Feel Free. (n/t) |
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DoYouEverWonder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 03:15 PM Response to Reply #60 |
69. I've looked |
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DoYouEverWonder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 05:23 PM Response to Reply #60 |
80. Here's a small one just for an example |
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MervinFerd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 03:05 PM Response to Reply #54 |
66. NO. And I won't provide proof the Earth is round either. |
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DoYouEverWonder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 03:17 PM Response to Reply #66 |
70. Only -one- need beam need have failed to bring the building down? |
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MervinFerd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 03:25 PM Response to Reply #70 |
73. If it is the right beam. |
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DoYouEverWonder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 04:43 PM Response to Reply #73 |
79. Then that would mean |
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MervinFerd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 11:41 AM Response to Reply #79 |
88. Yes. A single charge is possible. But then there is no Free Fall. |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 02:36 PM Response to Reply #40 |
63. On the other hand, we're still waiting for evidence that thermite |
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MervinFerd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 03:09 PM Response to Reply #63 |
67. There -are- no such pictures! |
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DoYouEverWonder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 03:18 PM Response to Reply #63 |
71. They use it to weld railroad tracks |
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MervinFerd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 03:33 PM Response to Reply #71 |
74. Welding ain't cutting. And a RR track ain't a structural I-beam. |
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DoYouEverWonder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 10:46 AM Response to Reply #74 |
97. Funny, you can buy thermite on the internet |
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wildbilln864 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 11:22 AM Response to Reply #97 |
98. actually.... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 04:09 PM Response to Reply #71 |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 08:08 AM Response to Reply #26 |
30. Haha! nt |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 08:17 AM Response to Reply #30 |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 11:18 AM Response to Reply #31 |
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MervinFerd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 11:23 AM Response to Reply #41 |
42. You two need to go out and get that Cold Fusion working. |
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jschurchin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 12:01 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. You know Mervin............ |
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MervinFerd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 12:57 PM Response to Reply #45 |
50. My head is filled with Cold Fusion Mini-nukes. No need of dynamite. |
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jschurchin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 01:47 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. Bring something worthwhile to the |
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MervinFerd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 03:12 PM Response to Reply #53 |
68. It appears you ignore facts and logic also. |
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DoYouEverWonder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 01:29 PM Response to Reply #26 |
52. Since you can't read the rest of the article without registering |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 02:20 PM Response to Reply #52 |
59. Here's another |
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MervinFerd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 03:19 PM Response to Reply #52 |
72. D.Y.E.W: It doesn't matter how hot the fire was; it's the steel that matters. |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 03:55 PM Response to Reply #72 |
75. Nobody knows how hot |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 01:58 AM Response to Reply #20 |
24. This has been refuted by this new study...NIST ERRONEOUS.. |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 07:20 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. "Winston Smith" huh? |
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mirandapriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 02:00 AM Response to Reply #25 |
83. The current and former NIST heads were appointed by Bush |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 09:55 AM Response to Reply #83 |
85. Tell me about he hundreds of engineers and scientist |
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DoYouEverWonder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 09:58 AM Response to Reply #85 |
86. The 100's of engineers? |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 11:28 AM Response to Reply #86 |
87. Haven't read the NIST report, have you? |
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DoYouEverWonder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 11:46 AM Response to Reply #87 |
89. Nothing secret about it all |
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MervinFerd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 09:18 PM Response to Reply #89 |
93. Bullshit. nt |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 08:27 AM Response to Reply #20 |
32. This information alone should, in a perfect world, should end....... |
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wildbilln864 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 11:59 PM Response to Reply #32 |
81. 20 story hole? |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 12:28 AM Response to Reply #81 |
82. Why don't you try reading the post I responded to for starters??? |
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DoYouEverWonder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 09:28 AM Response to Reply #82 |
84. That image show signs of some serious doctoring |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 05:07 PM Response to Reply #84 |
91. Bullshit. It's the same damage see from a different angle. |
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DoYouEverWonder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 06:01 PM Response to Reply #91 |
92. In the photo I posted |
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MervinFerd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 11:25 AM Response to Reply #20 |
43. STILL no refutation. There isn't one, is there? |
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MervinFerd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 12:56 PM Response to Reply #20 |
49. Hack DEMOLISHED the demolition arguments. Won't anyone respond? |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 06:39 PM Response to Reply #9 |
17. What does the evidence point to? |
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MervinFerd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 08:17 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. and how much explosive would that need? |
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DoYouEverWonder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 08:04 AM Response to Reply #17 |
27. No, I don't think it's odd |
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MervinFerd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 09:48 AM Response to Reply #27 |
34. What evidence would a truck in the freight elevator produce? |
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DoYouEverWonder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 10:04 AM Response to Reply #34 |
37. You keep mentioning all these 'experts' |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 10:48 AM Response to Reply #37 |
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MervinFerd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 10:50 AM Response to Reply #37 |
39. You haven't answered the question. How much 'evidence'--- |
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MervinFerd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 03:59 PM Response to Reply #37 |
76. The ones who wrote the NIST report. The thousands who read and accepted it? |
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MervinFerd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 09:52 AM Response to Reply #27 |
35. How about a clear statement of what the evidence implies, then? |
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MervinFerd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-14-06 06:38 PM Response to Original message |
16. Still no coherent answer: What hypothesis does the evidence support? |
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MervinFerd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 09:59 AM Response to Reply #16 |
36. Simpler question: How many charges are needed for "Free Fall"? |
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MervinFerd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 11:26 AM Response to Reply #36 |
44. I am not going to get an answer, am I? |
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Brainster (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 12:47 PM Response to Original message |
47. Is There A Reason the Plotters Needed Pulverized Concrete? |
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MervinFerd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 12:54 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. No. It's a common argument in favor of "Demolition". |
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MervinFerd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 01:03 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. YES, it is just incorporated into the theory. Or not incorporated. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 02:45 PM Response to Original message |
64. You Are Confusind CD with a "Theory" |
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MervinFerd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 02:59 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. Perhaps confusing paranoid CTs with rational thought. |
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DoYouEverWonder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 04:41 PM Response to Reply #65 |
78. No |
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wildbilln864 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 02:31 PM Response to Reply #78 |
90. EXACTLY! |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 09:58 PM Response to Original message |
94. The current theory is |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 11:07 PM Response to Reply #94 |
95. Considering there is no physical evidence remaining ... |
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MervinFerd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 11:51 PM Response to Reply #94 |
96. This is not a theory. It's a statement of your own unsupported suspicion. |
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