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Contrite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 03:02 AM
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What are these "puffs" of smoke?
Edited on Sat Jan-27-07 03:02 AM by Contrite


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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 03:32 AM
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1. I expect that those people climbing out of hundred-story windows could tell you.
Edited on Sat Jan-27-07 03:33 AM by boloboffin
I want you to understand something. This is a topic which fully invokes my vehement disgust at the enormity of these idiotic conspiracy theories you people are pushing around here.

What do you think is causing those "puffs" of smoke - those constant streamers of smoke? It is exactly the same thing that is causing every one of those people to climb completely out of those windows, even causing them to hurl themselves toward the ground instead of coming into contact with it any longer.

Fire.

on edit: typo
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Contrite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 03:52 AM
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2. Why are those puffs located where they are?
What accounts for those specific locations?
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 04:01 AM
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3. Doors and windows.
We shouldn't expect an exactly equal distribution of the smoke.
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 04:48 AM
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4. Also, most of those streaming clouds of smoke have people at the place they are coming out of.
I say "most" for a reason.
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 08:53 AM
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13. I wholeheartedly agree
Edited on Sat Jan-27-07 08:59 AM by LARED
There are only two options I can see.

1. The OP is too ignorant to figure out why there are "puffs" of smoke. If that is the case, Mom should give back the crayons and prevent access to the computer. Although I would guess unless the poster is an idiot savant that can type in complete sentences without understanding what they write, they know the "puffs" are from a fire in the building.

or

2. It's more sinister insinuations disguised as "just asking questions" stupidity. Which of course is dumb but OK, if it did not include pictures of people that were in the process of jumping to their deaths.
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Mist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 06:12 AM
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5. Good pics--thanks for posting. As well as the smoke, what accounts
for the damage/distortion visible in a small section with no damage apparent in the surrounding columns?





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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 06:24 AM
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7. Plane. nt
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MervinFerd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 08:38 AM
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10. Horror show "pics". Good Lord!
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 06:15 AM
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6. I wouldn't call those "puffs"
But i to have been wondering about smoke (and fire) emanating from locations quite far from the impact areas.

How about that fire half-way to the top on the right-hand side?



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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 08:41 AM
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11. We know they are not ..
Since the picture was taken before the collapse they can't thermite or high explosives. Now it is possible that that besides filling the WTC with tons of explosives and thermite, the plotters also fashioned an elaborate pyrotechnic display to replicate a massive fire with lots of smoke.

Or the smoke simply spread upwards in the building like smoke likes to do.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 08:46 AM
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12. the URL of the image:
http :// 911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/docs/wp_wtc29_s.jpg
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Contrite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 02:21 AM
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53. The first is from Sipa Press
Edited on Sun Jan-28-07 02:27 AM by Contrite
A French photo agency

Sipa Press covers world news thanks to a staff of 27 photographers, a network of more than 600 correspondents and exclusive distribution agreements with partner agencies such as Associated Press (AP) and the European Press Agency (EPA).

From political conflicts to high society stories, from entertainment to economics, Sipa Press has all the bases covered, 365 days a year. Nearly 2,000 images, captioned and complemented by text, are distributed daily in 40 countries.

More than 100 people work at Sipa Press headquarters in Paris: photographers, editors, salesmen, administrative... Sipa Incorporated, based in New-York, ensures production and licensing for the American market.

Sipa Press is a part of Sud Communication, the media group held by French industrialist Pierre Fabre.

The second is from Photobucket, from "calypso"

Here is another from Sipa, of the Pentagon. In the picture by Daryl Donley taken minutes after the attack at the Pentagon, the intense fireball is seen as coming from inside the building, and no wreckage of an airline crash is apparent.

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MervinFerd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 09:29 AM
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14. Thousands of pounds of thermite burning through huge steel beams.
Reducing them to pools of molten metal, which will be found weeks later under thousands of tons of debris.

Or
Fizzled Cold Fusion devices (damaged by plane impact)

Or
Invisible Elves Smoking Joints

Or
Misdirected Romulan Disruptor rays.

<<"How about that fire half-way to the top on the right-hand side?">>

What about it?
What could a fire "half way to the top" have to do with a collapse that will begin floors below?
How about "flames go up"; stuff starts to burn?
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Kingshakabobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 08:10 AM
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8. That's the "pre-thermate" reaction interacting with the cold fusion weapon.
Those people you see in the windows are PNAC conspirators setting the "cutter" charges.






BTW, Fucking stupid question.
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MervinFerd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 08:32 AM
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9. What do -you- think they are? Be specific.
Do you have a specific hypothesis that accounts for these puffs and the subsequent building collapse? Or are you "just asking questions"?

Let me second and applaud Boloboffin's disgust with this post. Real people are dying in these pictures. This is not a game.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 01:14 PM
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15. Strange how they form neat horizontal rows
following the crawl spaces between floors (where cutting charges would have been hidden from view) and even turn the corners of the building.



Now how did "jet fuel" get into those crawl spaces?
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MervinFerd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 01:32 PM
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16. Not strange at all. You think smoke won't flow through open spaces?
Jeebus Christ on a Jack Ass!

"jet fuel" (in parens)---You think there --was not-- jet fuel?

Jeebus Christ on a Boat Trailer --having sex-- with a Jack Ass!
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 01:34 PM
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17. What crawl spaces ?
smoke is coming from open windows and being blown horizontally by the wind.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 01:46 PM
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18. Open windows? Please.
The WTC windows didn't operate. The only open windows were the ones people smashed out, and they didn't do it in neat horizontal rows.
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 02:10 PM
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21. People smashing those windows out is the only method I am suggesting is possible.
There is no reason to assume that there was anything "neat" about how these people managed to smash open the windows.

I have an idea of what you mean by "rows", but I want to hear you say it.
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 02:23 PM
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22. So from what openings was the smoke coming from?
can you show on a picture any openings that correspond to where the smoke is coming from?
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MadBiologist Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 08:47 PM
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47. A kinetic impact
WILL BREAK WINDOWS!!! They will break windows because the force of the impact will deform the structure of the building, and windows are less resilient when exposed to such deformation as steel.

The wind will cause one column of smoke to seem as if it is coming out in the form of a row, and if you think the air is still that high, near the ocean, you are on opiates. lay off them
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 03:27 PM
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58. I don't see any planes in these photos. (n/t)
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MervinFerd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 04:07 PM
Response to Reply #58
59. Are you saying that there were NO PLANES??
Don't be shy now! Come out with it.

Let's hear it all.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 01:55 PM
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19. And about that "wind":
Wind blows in one direction at a time, and notice that smoke is being blown out in identical rows on perpendicular sides of the tower, which would be impossible if the rows were simply streamers blowing in the wind.
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 02:08 PM
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20. The wind direction is towards that corner in the picture.
It hits the building and flows both ways around it, carrying the smoke in different direction.

The smoke coming out of identical rows on perpendicular sides simply means that hot smoke and fire is filling that floor, and windows have been opened on both sides.
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MervinFerd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 02:31 PM
Response to Reply #19
23. You think smoke from planted explosives behaves differently than...
smoke from fires?

Novel.

Stupid, but novel.
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MervinFerd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 02:34 PM
Response to Reply #23
25. O' I C! Smoke form pre-thermate Cold Fusion mini-nukes has self-propulsive
properties.

Simple.

Stupid, but simple.
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Big Pappa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 10:25 PM
Response to Reply #25
63. You
forgot the steel beams that continue to melt without any other source of heat.:toast:
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MervinFerd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 12:48 PM
Response to Reply #63
65. "Spontaneous Ferrous Combustion" (tm)
"It's like Spontaneous Human Combustion, only with Iron" (c)

See also: "Spontantous Airframe Combustion" (c)
"It's like Spontaneous Human Combustion, only with Aluminum" (c)
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 02:32 PM
Response to Reply #19
24. You have convinced me - finally!
That you are doing this as a joke.

I'm am not going to believe that someone who can operate a keyboard is not capable of understanding what happens when wind blows toward the corner of a building.



NOBODY is that dumb.
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MervinFerd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 02:36 PM
Response to Reply #24
26. Y'er right! Gotta be joke. Nobody is dumb enough to believe this stuff.
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Kingshakabobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 06:34 PM
Response to Reply #24
33. I'm convinced you are correct.
I've had my suspicions about some CTers and this seals it.......
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William Seger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 03:02 PM
Response to Reply #19
27. Hey, here's one that WILL work with a scale model
Take a big ol' bong hit and blow the smoke at the corner of a box.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 03:04 PM
Response to Reply #27
29. I'm anxious to see what your next magic bullet will be. (n/t)
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William Seger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 07:00 PM
Response to Reply #29
61. I'm anxious to see the next hole you dig yourself into
This one was hilarious.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 03:03 PM
Response to Reply #19
28. p.s. look at the pic. The puffs at the top are rising, not blowing
laterally:



There's no magic bullet wind blowing the corner of the building, but you get a D+ for a creative excuse.

:crazy:
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MervinFerd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 03:36 PM
Response to Reply #28
30. You think smoke from planted explosives behaves differently than...
smoke from fires?

You get an 'A' for originality.

But, an 'F' for sense.

Jeebus H. Crist smoking dope on a boat trailer wearing Flip-Flops!

Who thinks this stuff up?
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 03:45 PM
Response to Reply #30
31. Structure fires burn up, not sideways, they produce flames
and black smoke, not uniformly grayish vapor, they produce soot and char whatever openings they emerge from, and they sure as hell don't confine themselves to neat horizontal rows along between floors.

I take it you've never seen one.
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 04:05 PM
Response to Reply #31
32. So what makes gray vapor?
stop beating around the bush and let us in on the secret!
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MervinFerd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 07:06 PM
Response to Reply #32
35. Thermate-assisted Cold Fusion Mini-nukes...
Planted by Invisible Elves.

In nice neat rows.
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MervinFerd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 08:45 PM
Response to Reply #35
62. Creating self-propelled holographic smoke from holographic "jet fuel"
glad we got this cleared up.
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MervinFerd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 07:05 PM
Response to Reply #31
34. Really? Always? Black Smoke? Always? No matter what is burning?
And the smoke doesn't come out of windows, if they are in horizontal rows?

But, planted explosives make nice uniformly grayish vapor?

One lacks the imagination to respond rationally.

Jezebus F'ing Xrist Jumping on a Pogo Stick atop a Boat Trailer wearing Converse All-Stars!

Is there no limit?
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 07:08 PM
Response to Reply #34
37. Your feeble attempts at derision are getting feebler. (n/t)
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MervinFerd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 07:27 PM
Response to Reply #37
40. What makes Gray Vapor (Smoke)??? It's a simple question.
Why can't you answer it?
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 07:29 PM
Response to Reply #40
41. Don't worry, Mervin.
Wildbilln864 will go searching through his list of bookmarks and drag something about things that burn gray. Patience!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 08:58 PM
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Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 03:22 PM
Response to Reply #50
54. Congratulations, you boiled the OCT argument down to a sentence. (n/t)
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 03:23 PM
Response to Reply #54
55. p.s. actually a sentence fragment, but don't stand on ceremony. (n/t)
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MervinFerd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 07:08 PM
Response to Reply #31
36. I would also like to know: "What makes gray smoke?"
"Just asking Questions".

WHAT MAKES GRAY SMOKE?

Answer if you dare!
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 07:10 PM
Response to Reply #36
38. Do I look like Beetle Bailey?
Ask the guys running Operation Desert Demo.
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MervinFerd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 07:26 PM
Response to Reply #38
39. ---YOU--- are raising the issue of "Gray Smoke".
Unless you can say what you think it means, I have to conclude that you do not yourself know what it means.

WHAT PRODUCES GRAY SMOKE?

And WTF is "Operation Desert Demo"?
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 07:32 PM
Response to Reply #39
42. I can tell you what doesn't -- office furniture and "jet fuel."
I'll leave it to the demo experts to figure out exactly which particular product was used.
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 07:40 PM
Response to Reply #42
43. I thought the jet fuel burned off in 10 minutes ..
at least that's how the OCT goes. You have no clue what the NIST report really says, do you?
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MervinFerd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 07:58 PM
Response to Reply #42
44. There we go with "Jet fuel" in parentheses again!
Are you implying there --was-- no jet fuel?

Just speak up.

Why leave it to "demo experts" to say what makes Gray Vapors? You've got no ideas of your own?

And you really have no idea what the NIST report says, do you?
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MervinFerd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 11:15 PM
Response to Reply #44
52. I mean quotations. So, what's up with this? Holographic Jet Fuel?
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MervinFerd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 08:02 PM
Response to Reply #42
45. Ummm.. ---ALL--- the smoke was gray! Is it -all- due to explosives?
All the smoke is the same color! Was the office furniture not burning at all? Was there no fire except the demolitions?

Why are those people jumping out the windows?

Jezebus H Crist on a f'ing unicycle wearing Crocs!

When does it end?
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MervinFerd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 04:09 PM
Response to Reply #45
60. Holographic Smoke! From burning Holographic Jet Fuel!
Boy o' boy. What a crock of it!
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MadBiologist Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 08:55 PM
Response to Reply #28
49. it does both moron.
Smoke is lighter than air. If you look carefully, you can see what windows the smoke is emanating from It will then proceed to both rise, and be blown by the wind. Go... take high school physics.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 03:25 PM
Response to Reply #49
56. Thanks, but I tested out of troll science. (n/t)
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MadBiologist Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 08:50 PM
Response to Reply #19
48. Not really
Wind moves around a building taking the path of least resistance. Even if they are perpendicular, it is still possible for that to occur
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 03:26 PM
Response to Reply #48
57. Nice hand-waving. (n/t)
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Contrite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 12:18 AM
Response to Reply #17
64. The spaces where the floor trusses were located.
Edited on Mon Jan-29-07 12:26 AM by Contrite
Is what I believe he means. That is the location I see, as well. Now, the question is, why is smoke billowing forth from there, and not behind (most) of the window spaces where the people are standing?
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William Seger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 03:49 PM
Response to Reply #64
66. No, it's coming out the windows.
Edited on Mon Jan-29-07 04:06 PM by William Seger
Look at where you can see people in the windows in relation to the thin horizontal lines between the aluminum column covers. And again, as people have already pointed out, there's probably a reason why people are hanging out the windows a hundred floors above the ground, and I doubt it's because they want to get a better look at the smoke coming out of the ceiling spaces.

This thread is dumb.

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Contrite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 01:46 AM
Response to Reply #66
67. Smoke is issuing primarily under and over the people.
Not behind them.
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MervinFerd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 08:29 AM
Response to Reply #67
68. Jeebus H Christ on a Moped wearing Speedos! nt
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Contrite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 06:35 PM
Response to Reply #68
69. And?
I appreciate the imagery, Melvin, but do you have a comment relating specifically to mine?
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MervinFerd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 09:08 PM
Response to Reply #69
70. No. No comment is necessary. "res ipsa loquitor"
Edited on Tue Jan-30-07 09:09 PM by MervinFerd
"the thing speaks for itself"
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Contrite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 09:33 PM
Response to Reply #70
71. Jesus on a moped in a Speedo speaks for itself
but that does not relate to the issue at hand
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MervinFerd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 09:41 PM
Response to Reply #71
72. OK. This thread is ridiculous, ghoulish, silly, immature, amateurish,
self-aggrandizing, intellectually vapid, going nowhere, obviously answered, obviously never-ending, leads nowhere, cannot possibly prove a damn thing, and (did I mention?) ghoulish and crassly insensitive.

Is that clear enough?
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Contrite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 10:26 PM
Response to Reply #72
73. Oh--why didn't you say so?
I thought you meant "Christ on a pogo stick". As in: "Exclamation of surprise or shock as a result of nothing short of a miracle." (See the Urban Dictionary).
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AZCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 10:33 PM
Response to Reply #73
74. Naw, you're getting your religious figure idioms confused.
Next you'll be mixing up "Mohammed in a Buick Electra" with "Brigham Young with a Carmen Electra" - not the same thing at all.
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Contrite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 10:40 PM
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75. [snork]
:toast:
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MadBiologist Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 08:45 PM
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46. Entschuldigung?
Cutting charges?

The the fuck are you babbling about?

Here is what accounts for the smoke

A fire was burning on the lower floors. Air vents, ducts, and the differential opening and shutting of doors and elevator shafts cause the distribution we see.

You, are a fucking nutbag.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 10:17 PM
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51. Time to go back under your bridge.
:hi:
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