An explosion of disbelief - fresh doubts over 9/11

An interesting article in the (UK) Daily Mail (which is a fairly RW paper).

Excerpt:

"Together, the book and the movie have raised the question: could the attack be a carbon copy of Operation Northwoods, an aborted plan by President Kennedy to stage terror attacks in America and blame them on Communist Cuba as a pretext for a U.S. invasion to overthrow Fidel Castro?

In other words, on a fateful September morning in 2001, did America fabricate an outrage against civilians to fool the world and provide a pretext for war on Al Qaeda and Iraq?"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=435265&in_page_id=1811

{By the way I personally would recommend "9/11: Press for Truth" as being much better than "Loose Change".
However, David Ray Griffin's "New Pearl Harbor" is pretty good.}

It wasn't an aborted plan "by President Kennedy" but rather a plan that was presented to him that he said no to.
(Although I guess the misleading sentence makes sense, since it's a RW paper.)
I highly recommend Griffin's book to anyone who thinks doubters are tinfoil hatters.

It is interesting that RWers are starting to question the official conspiracy theory though.
Recommend 911 Mysteries, very good video from http://www.question911.com/linksall.htm

or mess with Cuba, and also defused a nuclear war with the Soviet Union over Cuba that threatened to blow us all to smithereens. He also, in one of his last acts in office, issued executive orders beginning the withdrawal of US military "advisers" from Vietnam. I am convinced now that these are the main reasons he was assassinated. The war profiteers that were never demobilized after WW II were just then becoming the beast that we see today, and were in need of a feeding, and so they manufactured a war on Vietnam out of nothing--totally unjustified--just as Bush/Cheney and their war profiteer puppetmasters have done in Iraq. And I think this was the same reason they killed JFK's brother, RFK, five years later. RFK had changed his opinion about the Vietnam War (always more hawkish than his brother), had completely turned against it, and was running a very successful campaign for president in 1968 to bring the war to an early end.

Bang-bang, shoot-shoot.

We lost three peace-minded leaders in the space of five years--JFK, RFK and MLK (whose amazing speech against the Vietnam War at the Riverside Church is one of the best speeches ever given).

Strongly suspect: The CIA of that era.

Ike wasn't kidding.

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This is a hindsight opinion--looking to back then, from today. I never quite put it all together until Bush. Bush exhibits this ugliness--this beast that is running things--in raw form. We can see it plainly. And, looking back, that's where it started. Inventing wars. And it makes a lot of sense, both as to the greed of the war profiteering bloodsuckers on our government, and as to the economy of our country, which has such a large military (and now secret police) sector. The latter--the economic consequences of any potential demobilization--is how some of the better Congresspeople are sucked in; others are just plain corrupt.

The Traitorgate story is also interesting as to the change in the CIA from the 1960s to now. I think there really was a change--resulting from lessons learned during Vietnam and in the horrors of US interference in Latin America--and that the portion of the CIA that had come to see its duty as preventing war, rather than manufacturing it, was the one that the Bush Junta needed to purge. (I think Traitorgate was a long term plan, part of which went awry. They intended to plant WMDs on Saddam, after the invasion--specifically nukes, prepped by the Niger/Iran nuke forgeries--and they got foiled--possibly by someone, or someones, in the Brewster-Jennings counter-proliferation network, headed by Plame. So they outed not just Plame but the entire network, putting all of our deep cover foreign agents/contacts--whose job it was to detect and stop the illicit movement of dangerous weaons--at risk of getting killed. People often forget that there were TWO outings, Plame on 7/14/03, then the Brewster-Jennings front company, on 7/22/03). It is also quite possible that they killed the British WMD whistleblower David Kelly, on 7/17/03, four days after Plame was outed. They weren't worried about mere criticism, in a corporate newsstream that they controlled. They were panicked about something. I strongly suspect that this was it: they feared exposure of a plan to plant the weapons that got foiled.

In any case, here we are, saddled with this "military-industrial" monster, and a war that the majority of the American people opposed from the beginning (56% opposed, Feb. '03), and which 74% oppose today. And it's still going on. You can't have an unjust war, in a democracy in which the people remember Vietnam, without either assassinating the leaders who oppose it, or fixing the elections. I think they probably assassinated Paul Wellstone. They found other ways to derail Howard Dean's campaign (who had seriousl questioned the military budget, as well as opposing the war). They meanwhile cemented their power by gaining direct, secret control over vote counting, with the "Help America Vote For Bush Act" of 2002--electronic voting, run on "trade secret," proprietary programming code, owned and controlled by rightwing Bushite corporations, and fast-tracked across the nation with $3.9 billion in boondoggle funding). The was the actual fascist coup, I think (10/29/02)--the effective end of our democracy--engineered by the biggest crooks in the Anthrax Congress--Tom Delay and Bob Ney--abetted by corporatist 'Democrats' (Christopher Dodd, Terry McAuliffe). That's what these bastards did. It's all about war profiteering. It always has been. And I don't care who they fingered for any of the assassinations in the 1960s. They are lying.

And they are lying about 9/11. There was obviously a Rumsfeld/U.S. military cabal in charge that day. They either planned it or let it happen. A real moneymaker.

thank you.

The arms manufacturers have been fomenting wars for millenia. It's an old tune. We need to break their instruments and subvert the dominant paradigm. We are all one.

9/11 was obviously an inside job. No way those four planes just "happened" to elude US air defenses.

SR

assumed that they just were being watched too closely. What you say makes more sense.

and the team doing it was killed through friendly fire! I remember reading about that! They tried once at least! :hi:

:hi:

really was the cause of 9/11. Speaking for myself, I have always believed that it was an inside job and that many things such as making sure the steel from WTC's was rushed away as quickly as possible. Don't think the Dems will ever get to investigating this, but sure would be interesting if they did. One thing that I sure find curious is why all the people ie: rescuers are suddenly getting sick at a late date like now.

ww

it an "inside job".
It was always pretty clear that these guys were planning to
hurt the US in a big way.
All that had to happen was to stage manage it so "something" happened.
Something did happen and the next phase was to make the most out of it.
We are still in the "declare martial law and control the world" stage.
This all reminds me a bit of when they faked Reagan taking a bullet.
Got a lot of mileage out of that one.

It's pretty clear that they "let it happen" by quashing investigations etc however they also helped it along by various means (such as issuing visas and the funds were provided by Bushco allies).

I've never heard that Reagan's shooting was fake, throwing that in throws doubt on your previous comments.

I watched the video in stop frame many times and remain unconvinced.
Then they were all in a vehicle isolated from the outside world.
The situation was assessed. "Honey, I forgot to duck."
Put a little scar right here. Tell him he is a hero.
Approval ratings through the roof. 1984 secured.
Do you think there are some holes in the tinfoil?

I wouldn't rule anything out, so you could be onto something.

However, I always thought it was more likely to be a set-up by Poppy to grab power
(but I was just a kid back then and not really paying attention so haven't researched it).

Son Neil was to dine with Scott Hinckley, brother of the shooter, the very evening of the attempted assassination. :wow:

http://www.hereinreality.com/hinckley.html

Maybe a coincidence but you gotta admit it's a really big one. Like so many that surround this awful family. It's like the country is being run by the Sopranos.

"From what I know and I've heard, they (the Hinckleys) are a very nice family and have given a lot of money to the Bush campaign. I understand he was just the renegade brother in the family."

"The renegade brother" or the black sheep of the family...where I else have I heard that..?

Oh yes, isn't that what they said about Osama bin Laden, another family friend of the B*shes...

of course.

I mean everybody knows someone whose kids grow up to be the arch villians of our time.

they inhaled all kinds of awful fumes. The poor people are dying left and right.

my belief is that Bushco were never serious about going after al-Qaeda. The whole Afghanistan campaign was a sideshow to keep moderates like Colin Powell and Richard Clarke happy - and they never intended to catch Osama (and allowed him to make a quick getaway at Tora Bora).

had anything to do with 9/11. Another curious thing, how slips of the tong did Rummy make with reference to Flight 93 being shot down... I seem to recall 2 instances anyway.

ww

--the chief fundraiser of the Alumni Club has something to do with the quarterback who passes for touchdowns.

can you imagine the social unrest that would erupt just because of the premise of the investigation...???

but that would be NOTHING compared to the social upheaval that would occur if the suspicions were proven to be true and/or any attempt was made to bring anybody to justice on account of it.


Maybe in another generation ...or two...

are pretty certain that they know or can pretty much prove the truth.... Oh well, one foot in front of the other I guess.

ww

Every year more people are born that won't remember 9/11. They won't remember the suspicions of the time. They'll grant ever more credit to the official government stamped report and our children and grandchildren will never be the wiser.

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even on DU we experience the collective denial. Having followed the life and times of g.w.bush* for over twenty years and having a familiarity with the PNAC since 1999, my response on the morning of 9/11 as my significant other woke me to tell me that at least one plane had hit the WTC was to exclaim "those fucking bastards." And I did not mean the 19 hijackers.
:kick:NINE!

If it rid us of the military-industrial-congressional junta that now controls the nation.

"If six tons of steel and titanium banged into the Pentagon at 530mph, they would bury themselves inside the building, leaving two very distinct imprints. And yet the only damage to the outer wall is this single hole."

I will damned if I can figure out how they supposedly fooled the mases...

ww

:hi:

What's the problem with one hole?

One would expect those to penetrate the wall and each leave a hole.

Is there any information about that it wasn't a plane?
There is a plane at least missing isn't there?

before collapse:

Indeed I never bought the official story and await the truth about what happened on that sad September morning. Truth will out!

Like many in America I was appalled by ABC Disney’s crock u drama The Road to 9-11.
I was not surprised by the spin or the inaccuracies including downright falsehoods but by the networks airing of overt government propaganda. To me at least the film says something that is of vital importance to all Americans, That there is an on going criminal conspiracy involving the events of that day, The event, the motivations, the public statements and as well as alibis.

That victors write history is well known sometimes however they must rewrite history over and over. The liar must keep changing his story as each new fact is revealed. A journeyman liar will eventually back down when confronted by overwhelming truth while a compulsive liar or a professional liar will adroitly and continually rewrite the lie. The compulsive liar cannot help himself while the professional liar sees himself as a craftsman, a wordsmith a magician with words he shows you ideas and frames them with adjectives for the sole purpose of deception. But sometimes even the giants like mighty Casey at the bat strikeout.

To understand the purpose of such a film, why cautious network executives would spend forty million dollars on such a jaded project. These executives who walk a high wire for a living, one faux pax and its curtains. So how could they see this project as having an up side for the network? Propaganda in film is as old as film it’s self from Birth of a Nation extolling the dangers of black men through Leni Riefenstahl’s Olympia proclaiming Arian superman all the way down to our own Sergeant York with Gary Cooper. But this is a different genus it’s purpose is clear it’s purpose is to cloud and misdirect the history of the day to fill the market place of Ideas with irrelevant questions and talking points. To subvert truth with fiction which in the years to come will remain constant while the actual memories will fade while The Road to 9-11 won’t

To truly understand 9-11 and films like the road to 9-11 you must go back to the beginning or rather the end, the end of representative democracy in America November 1963 Dallas Texas. After the CIA had successfully overthrown elected governments on every continent on the planet they completed a very successful operation on their own President. As Jim Garrison correctly stated “Had Americans witnessed these events taking place in Soviet Russia no one would have doubted that it was a coup d’etat.” I say very successful operation with one fatal exception Abraham Zabruter had filmed irrefutable evidence of conspiracy.


The myth:
Lee Harvey Oswald was an unhappy drifter seeking attention and to that end assassinated the President with a second hand mail order sniper rifle and a Dallas policeman with a 38 caliber revolver.

The Facts:
Oswald taught himself Russian while in the Marines serving in Europe he had a top security clearance yet was only a radar operator. He defects to the Soviet Union and renounces his citizenship claiming that he will give the Russians any information they might request. While we might question whether he was working for the CIA the Russians didn’t, placing him well out of harms way in Minsk. After several years with Russian bride in tow Oswald tells the American embassy he wants to come home, he and his Russian bride are immediately granted visas at the height of the cold war and welcomed home. Oswald is always near the center of covert operations.

He is in New Orleans affiliated with the fair play for Cuba committee passing out pro Castro literature then anti Castro literature. Then inexplicably pulls up stakes and moves to Dallas claiming he is again a Marxist on TV. Almost immediately he finds a job at the schoolbook depository through a woman his wife is working for as a maid. The woman’s family is prominently involved in Dallas right wing politics. Excuse me for focusing on Oswald but it will become apparent when you see these same coincidences again in our own 9-11 tragedy.

Oswald has pictures taken of himself holding the rifle and pistol as well as a newspaper,
What? Why would he do that? Oswald had been in the Marines six years guns were not a novelty to him. Oswald is reputed to have fired three shots in six seconds striking the President twice from behind at a distance of three hundred feet through trees. Zabruters film exposed that theory as rubbish, but for that film, it might have been a perfect crime.
Zabruters film exposed the stark cold and horrifyingly graphic image of the Presidents brain blown out the rear quadrant of his skull. Most every one knows a gunshot wound will cause a small entrance wound and a large exit wound so it becomes incredibly difficult to convince a nation that the fatal shot came from behind.

Those responsible had much work to do; Now that the official story is obviously false they had to prove with experts and blue ribbon commissions that pigs could fly under certain conditions when the weather was just right. Even to this day books are written and documentaries air explaining how it really really was Lee Harvey Oswald that performed
that miracle of marksmanship. The best rifleman in the NRA tried but none could match Oswald feat. Maybe in the ensuing forty years another marksmen might have come along a modern day William Tell but sadly the FBI lost the rifle. Lost the central piece of evidense in the crime of the century and what does the government say about that? Oh well these things happen. The Presidents autopsied brain had been kept as well and when inquiries were made for its possibly evaluation it was discovered it had been lost as well.

Oswald location says much about the conspiracy because he is so far from the scene of the crime; he avoids his best shot and waits until the motorcade turns into the plaza. An unidentified witness in front of the depository tells of seeing the shooter and describes him to police. This is almost as amazing as Oswald’s marksmanship to see straight up six stories into a window and to give a detailed description to the police only to lead the police away from the actual shooters. Like the magician what they show you is only to deceive you. Oswald has an active duty military ID card in his pocket on the day of his arrest this is never mentioned in the press as long as Oswald is alive.


The Myth:
Osama Bin Laden was a religious fanatic in charge of a world wide terrorist network, with tentacles reaching everywhere across the planet. He is not a man that could be bargained with. The only possible answer was to kill him but we had very little evidence about his where abouts and what evidence we had was at best sketchy living in the remote Torabora Mountains of Afghanistan.

The Facts:
While Osama is religious he is also said to enjoy listening to western music a habit he picked up while working in direct contact with the CIA for ten years at his same hide out while fighting the Russians in Afghanistan. Osama’s family is one of the ruling clique in Saudi Arabia, while he is personally wealthy he did not have unlimited wealth. Growing up in a country with a small population and even smaller ruling elite, to say he is well connected is an understatement.

Fighting the Russians Osama became an adrenaline junkie he established himself as a power with CIA funding. When the war ended it appeared his sun had set yet just like Oswald Osama would pop up in areas of American covert operations Sudan, Somalia just one of those strange coincidents I guess. Some how, some where there was a parting of the ways either he crossed the CIA or the CIA crossed him, and like an ugly divorce we will never know the truth for sure. The official story is that the basing of infidels in his holy land of Saudi Arabia set him off to declare Jihad on the west.

Strange how it never bothered him during the seventies and eighties when the US prepostioned military hardware and personnel. The US held joint exercises with the Saudi military forces Infidels had lived all through out the country at all levels of the society. But now as the official story goes he became a criminal mastermind. Declaring war on the west and his own country for allowing the infidels on holy soil, he left Saudi Arabia never to return except for an occasional family wedding.

There are some facts that can be argued and some that simply cannot. The administration
of George W. Bush and Richard B. Cheney wanted a war with Iraq. This is obvious to even the most casual observer, if you have any question in your mind whether this is not a true statement stop here. The cartoon network waits for you! This was the avowed goal of the Project for a New American Century a group that includes Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and the usual cast of rightwing villains. Their position paper “Rebuilding our Defenses” calls for America to use her military force to establish unquestioned hegemony through out the world.

This position itself, which calls for preemptive war, is as frightening as it is un-American. But there is one statement that I’m sure they wish they had back the men who now surround George W Bush said what America needed was “A new Pearl Harbor.” These are their quotes and what you say can get you in trouble, that is if you don’t run the government or the media. For if you or I were to say I ought to burn my ex-wife’s house down and it were then to burn down. You and I would go to Jail! Go directly to jail do not pass go do not collect two hundred dollars

Another strange coincidence after America had its new Pearl Harbor, the magician still had rabbits in his hat and tricks up his sleeve. This administration that has so consistently had problems getting programs going hit the ground running legislation to Congress and troops to the middle east. Iraq was the buzzword and troops were on the way but again like Oswald walking out of the book depository Osama is allowed to walk away, another strange coincidence. The official story is we don’t know where he is even though we have been tracking him daily and by their own admission since the days he worked for the CIA. The Clinton administration had no problem finding him only months before firing cruise missiles at him but now vanished and we have no idea where he went

What do we know for sure? Aircraft manned by men with connections to Saudi Military intelligence and lead by a man funded by the CIA for ten years crashed two airliners into two of the World Trade center towers. Within hours, three-world trade center towers would collapse. Towers constructed of concrete and steel designed to withstand hurricane force winds indefinitely collapsed into their own footprint into dust. The official story, burning jet fuel weakened the steel frames. That might explain why the top of the towers fell, but what about the rest the of eighty or so stories of the building untouched by fuel or flame?

The official story, they pan caked, why did they do that? The structure held for over a quarter century and its floors were independantly attached to a central core. It was in fact like Oswald’s marksmanship, a one of a kind event. Never in the history of the world has a skyscraper fallen after being hit by aircraft. A bomber hit the Empire State Building during WW2 filled with a thousand gallons of high octane gasoline and yet still it stands and yet we have two in two hours that collapsed into cartable sized rubble and one that wasn’t hit by aircraft that just fell down! Copycat collapse perhaps? its funny how these strange coincidences keep happening. Oswald ran into a Dallas movie theater passed the ticket booth without paying, the clerk advised the manager and the manager pointed out Oswald to police even though he never saw him come in. While the third building to collapsed on 9-11 the one not hit by aircraft housed the offices of the CIA in New York

Demolition work begins immediately to remove the wreckage of the towers, no one mentions or questions that this is a crime scene as the mayor bans photography at the site. The crime of the new century and the evidence is removed as soon as is humanly possible, lost like Oswald’s rifle and Kennedy’s brain. Because we have the official story now, and that’s is all that matters. A blue ribbon panel presents all the evidence that fits the original assumptions, they calculate how buildings with eighty undamaged stories collapse into their own footprint a new magic bullet theory

The EPA declares lower Manhattan safe for habitation in a week. The same agency that took five years to determine if new carpet can give you headaches. Now determines a major city safe to live in after a one of a kind cataclysm. The official story says it safe, don’t you believe? Do you claim to know more than government experts? You must be a conspiracy theorist? Never mind common sense! Prove pigs can’t fly! Your claiming conspiracy so you must prove it’s not so! We have the official theory and even though it is still just a theory ours is official because it has government seal of approval we says so. So don’t you dare question it! or we will tell the Fuehrer, er President

Just because this administration has said in the past that they’ve gotten the intelligence wrong is no reason to question the official story. If you do you will be ground down on the lathe of heaven. You may think that just because you’re a physics professor in Utah that you have some right to question why buildings fall at free fall speed. Well, the experts at Popular Mechanics refuted that! The same people who promised you a hovercraft in your garage and your own personal helicopter now carry the mantle of experts for they support the official story. The only thing falling at free fall speed here is your position at the university! To go against the official story is to drive the wrong way up a one-way street. Ask Oliver Stone what happens when you go against the Official story.

Stone’s movie JFK had a cast of almost every big star in Hollywood but it went against the official story and supposedly had some incorrect details although I’ve not yet found them. Stone was ostracized condemned and ridiculed but the truth was not that the movie was inaccurate; the truth was that it was too accurate, for it showed the truth. In bloody graphic detail twenty five feet high and forty feet across was the inescapable truth of the Zabruter film as Kennedy’s brain flies out the back of his head. The ugly inescapable irrefutable truth! If the President was shot from the front instead of the official story, then it was a conspiracy and coup d’etat.

Five years later Osama Bin Laden has not been charged with any crime involving the World Trade Center just as Oswald was never charged with shooting the President. The road to 9-11 is just more glue and paper mache trying to cement the official story in place. A story full of holes inaccuracies and mistakes, but if you question too loudly, will make you a target. We spend billions on security and inconvience millions of travelers. The travesty of making little old ladies throw away their denture cream should make us cringe in shame. Can it happen again? Yes, if they want it to we don’t check all the luggage or cargo. A terrorist could place twenty pounds of symtex in his luggage and detonate it with a key fob car door opener and do it again. But I’m sorry that’s not the official story is it? If that’s so you might ask, why hasn’t it happened again? Because a magician never does the same trick twice. But if the situation demands it, either to get their war with Iran that they are pining for or to hold onto power if the election results can’t be corrupted, they will.

Just for giggles let me pose the hypothetical, if the administration is complicit the President must be out of harms way and be provided an alibi. I’m mean you wouldn’t want him standing around playing air guitar or something would you? Why not send him to Maryland to read to schoolchildren? No no too close, how about Florida? Perfect! The President is going to this photo op because? He’s running for reelection? No, he’s a staunch supporter of public education? No, he’s pushing a new literacy initiative in Congress. To me this is the most damning piece of evidence like a stage play the major characters must be doing something, they cannot just stand on the stage with their hands in their pockets.

So, the President is bundled off to a grade school, He is informed that the first tower is hit yet goes ahead. Someone is off schedule he should be in the classroom and out of pocket when the first plane hits. The President is only person with the authority to give the shoot down order, now ask yourself again. Why did he just sit their reading My Pet Goat and starring into space? Perhaps he was analyzing the geopolitical ramifications of the situation or maybe he was trying to think of a way to sneak the book out so he could finish it on Air force one. Our maybe someone is still off schedule, maybe he sat there because he was supposed to. The official story, the President is rushed back to his limonene and issues the shoot down order, one minute not thirty seconds not two minutes and forty-four seconds but exactly one minute after the Pentagon is struck. Just another coincidence

I especially liked this: "...they calculate how buildings with eighty undamaged stories collapse into their own footprint a new magic bullet theory."

And your comparison of Oswald and Osama (the fall guys).

What really got me about 9/11 was NORAD. It's not that they didn't shoot the incomings to DC down; it's that they didn't even try. They didn't go to step one of standard procedure--getting AF jets into the air immediately to observe the suspicious planes. I was just flabbergasted when I learned that. Then I found out that Rumsfeld had pulled all NORAD decisions into his own hands six months before--then that Rumsfeld was AWOL during the critical hour ("in a meeting," he said, unaware) while two hijacked airlines headed for DC. Then...

I mean, just the series of events having to do with air defense should have put Rumsfeld immediately into a courtroom, fighting for his life against charges of high treason. It is unfrigging believable what he didn't do, and what NORAD didn't do, and their excuses for it.

Anyway, I appreciate your haunting narrative of the parallels between these two crimes, having lived through both. It is a very revealing comparison. I had never quite thought of it that way. Similar MOs. Similar mass delusions. Similar coverups. And similar marginalizing of the people who make the effort to look at the facts, and to break out of the delusion.

It's true. :yourock:

That's been the sticking point for me all along. The whole thing has been swept under the rug and that's supposed to be acceptable. It sickens me.

were they from the base a few miles from D.C.? No - they were from hundreds of miles away!

:yourock:

Great post.

welcome . . . and keep 'em comin'.

:kick: :dem:

vehemently denied having anything to do with 9/11 for weeks afterward. It was after receiving inexhaustible congratulations from radical followers that he seemed to change his mind and use his "success" as a tool of power and influence.

Super post.

ABC/Disney's docu-ganda mini-series was "The Path to 9-11" (2006). The History Channel, I believe, aired a 50-minute documentary (a different propaganda piece) named "The Road to 9-11" (2005)

FBI lost Oswald's rifle, just like the LAPD "lost" the gun that Sirhan Sirhan used to allegedly kill RFK. The .22 revolver and ballistics evidence presented at Sirhan's trial related to an entirely different serial number. The revolver belonging to Sirhan Sirhan has never been found.

http://www.realhistoryarchives.com/collections/assassinations/Sirhan%20and%20the%20RFK%20Assassination%20The%20Grand%20Illusion%20by%20Lisa%20Pease.htm

http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/index.php/Robert_F._Kennedy

http://www.trivia-library.com/a/assassination-of-robert-f-kennedy-us-senator-part-2.htm

for the truth . . . may it someday see the light of day.

stated on it's news program that 9/11 events had ties to our government would anyone be surprised? If it was then ascertained that there was no criminal involvement by any public official would anyone be surprised? If rogue CIA, NSA agents were charged with treason, would anyone be surprised? If Congress were then asked to limit psy-ops, false-flags, and propaganda on it's own citizenry, would anyone be surprised that the law it passed would actually make it more permissible?

From National Security Archives at George Washington University:



Amazing how the Reich -- even in jolly old England -- will use every opportunity to smear the memory of President Kennedy.

got the green light all the way through Kennedy's chief of staff,based on the information i've received through countless hours surfing through webpages and watching videos. i find it interesting that this "right wing" paper worded their story in such a way that it sounds as if Northwoods was Kennedy's plan, but the sources i have read/watched/heard say either that Kennedy himself 86'd it, or that (possibly McNamara?) a member of his staff shitcanned it before it was ever presented to president Kennedy. and hopefully the article makes it clear that operation northwoods was a proposed plan that was not carried out.

there is a vast wealth of wonderful information on 911 on the web, and these days i cannot seem to get enough of it. Seminars from all over the country, with Alex Jones, David Ray Griffin, Steven Jones, Webster Tarpley, and, hopefully, more every day. there are scholars for 911 truth, pilots for 911 truth, state-affiliated 911 truth movements...and this all really MUST keep on growing, because the "official" explanation for the events of 9-11-01 is bullshit.

it took me until last year, though from day one i did not believe that the attacks came as a surprise to our intelligence community: it is just too extensive for that to be true. even so, it took me until last year to arrive at the only explanation that actually makes sense regarding that day. especially when you take into account the way this administration has capitalized on the tragedy to justify their rampant warmongering and incipient fascism at the same time they systematically plunder the wealth.

and this is what makes sense: 911 was an inside job, planned and executed by radical neocons hellbent on american corporate global domination of the planet as well as outer space, even,apparently, if it leads to the premature end of the world, but certainly without any regard whatsoever for the rights, possessions, liberties, or even the survival of untold numbers of people. It should never be doubted that the bushies care NOT ONE WHIT for any human beings other than themselves - corporate whores that they are, obscenely rich, drowning in the blood of innocents.

the 911 truth movement needs to get SO BIG and SO LOUD that the truth can come out. it's the only hope for the nation and for the planet. i just don't have the energy to enumerate all of the crimes and travesties this administration has gotten away with because with the full complicity of the MSM they have fooled such a large number of people about that truth. people who have gone and waged a war of aggression in a foreign land, dying by the thousands and killing by the hundreds of thousands. people who have been spied on, wiretapped, stripped of their vote, left to drown in the muck of new orleans, outed for the sake of political retaliation (while keeping the dirty secrets of their own perverts!).

there are just like a million obvious and/or published facts disputing the party line on 911. and the truth of 911, when and if it is revealed to the population of this country and of the rest of the world, will inevitably lead to the fall and disgrace and prosecution of those responsible.

i'm just hoping, and blogging for it. because it is such a huge issue, and so important, and the public has been lied to to such lamentable ends. disclosure of the truth that will set us free isn't a sure thing. JFK's killers have not to this day been brought to justice. The new democratic controlled congress just made laws out of the 911 commission report's findings - without anyone mentioning that the 911 commission report is a book of bullshit compiled by bushie insiders.

sigh.

Northwoods Documents from the National Security Archive

9/11 Mysteries
an excellent video made by a conservative republican whose original motivation was to debunk
Painful Deceptions
he discovered that what he debunked - inevitably - was the "official" conspiracy theory, the one promoted by the bushies and the msm

The Great Conspiracy - he 9/11 News Special You Never Saw
Barrie Zwicker's excellent documentary

Confronting the Evidence
A series of videos on Youtube with footage from Confronting the Evidence: the New York Symposium that was held on 9-11-04

But this aint the 1960s.

It's harder to bury stuff with the internet.

For the record, the Daily Mail isn't just fairly RW, it's batshit insane, "they say I should stop beating my wife and demanding sex, it's political correctness gone mad" right-wing.

That said, I think there was a confluence of forces in 9/11. Al Queda wants to hit the US, the Bush admin (maybe or maybe not including Chimpy himself) decides to let it happen. The result allows two wars that the RW was desperate for, a blank cheque in domestic policy and a virtual certainty of re-election (as it turns out, GW fucked up so bad that rigging the results was necessary). The biggest winner from 9/11 was definately GW Bush.

However, cui bono? doesn't necessarily mean that they were involved with it. Allowed it to happen possibly, exploited it mercilessly for sure but not necessarily arranged it. Operation Northwoods is an interesting but ultimatly meaningless comparison since false flag ops are as old as the concept of professional military. The Nazis used one as an excuse to invade Poland and it's entirely possible that the Gulf Of Tonkin incident was a false flag op.

evidently been tried beyond endurance with regard to this WH and its works.

It was as shameless - still is - in its vilification of Clinton as any neocon. Never mind the good he was able to do for the US and the world at large, in the teeth of the constraints imposed by the menacing dark forces of American, corporatist, vandal capitalism, behind American politics. No, all they are interested in is that he constituted a check on the worst extemes of corporatism; indeed, their opportunity to plunder the country's treasury, afforded by government; the corporate welfare teat.

It's curious that the crime of the century has no criminals behind it. Osama must have acted alone, him and his 19 accomplices.

There's no need for any criminal investigation. Move along folks.

THE TAKING OF AMERICA, 1-2-3
by Richard E. Sprague
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/ToA/ToA.html

You Can Fool the People

You can fool all of the people some of the time
You can fool some of the people all of the time
But you can't fool all of the people all of the time.
Abraham Lincoln, 1864


The decade of 1963 to 1973 in the United State of America will go down in history for many things. In the long run it will be known through the world as the period which demonstrated that it is possible to fool most of the people all of the time.
Adolph Hitler didn't fool very many people. He cowed them, frightened them, and killed them. But most Germans knew what was happening even though they chose to do nothing about it until it was too late.
The exercise of power to control what happens and to restrict liberties is much more difficult in a Democracy or a Republic. The United States is always held up as the model case in which the guaranteed election of the president every four years and the two-party system, will prevent the country from being run by dictators. The people are represented by the Congress and also elect the President.
A person or a group planning a coup d'etat in the U.S. would have a completely different job on their hands than Germany in the 1930's, South American or African countries in the twentieth century, or France in the 1890's or Russia in 1918.
It would be necessary to fool a majority of the American people into believing that they were well represented, and that a democracy still existed, while at the same time the coup group were in reality changing the country to suit their own tastes.
It is the contention of the writer that this is exactly what has happened over a period of time following World War II. The methods used to fool the American people, certainly since 1963 and to some extent also since the end of World War I, have varied slightly as administrations changed. The main thrust however has been a constant erosion of civil rights, and a swing of government away from the best interests of the people and toward big companies, banks, the military and rich individuals and families. The trend was slowed down only briefly between 1960 and 1963 when Jack Kennedy attempted to alter the situation. He was assassinated because he did so.
To fool the American people is not easy. It requires immense capabilities, tricky, secret methods, hidden resources, great wealth and the equivalent of brainwashing or mind control on a grand scale. Yet that type of resource is precisely what has accomplished the deed. It is probable that, like Germany, the American people will awaken to what has been happening to them and to who has been doing it. It is also very likely, now that the Nixon administration has been restored for four more years, that by 1976 it will be too late, in spite of Watergate.
George McGovern's speech on ABC Television, the evening of October 25, 1972, was a warning for those citizens who were awake, that "it can happen here." It's happening here, was his basic message. Yet, unlike Germany, the people were silent, and fooled. They didn't believe him when he said, "Your liberties are being removed, one by one." The Supreme Court by 1976 will be so packed with Nixon appointees that we will never get our liberties back. McGovern covered most of the areas in which the people have been fooled. The major area he didn't cover was that of assassination. This tool represents only the end of the spectrum of techniques used by those in control to remain in control. It has been used four times very effectively, on both Kennedys, on Martin Luther King, and in the attempt on George Wallace. In the case of Wallace, crippling was sufficient to change the political outcome in 1972.



More important than the use of assassinations has been the ability to fool the American people into believing there were four lone madmen involved -- and no conspiracies. The techniques involved in fooling people are more complex and subtle than those involved in the crime itself. In the Watergate case, the original crime was the use of every trick and technique necessary to re-elect Nixon. The people had to be fooled into believing that Nixon and the CIA had nothing to do with Watergate and the broader plan of which it was part.
That the fooling part turned out to be so easy is due to a long series of conditioning steps taken with the American news media and the people over the preceding years. The Pentagon Papers case reveals how the people were fooled by several (successive CIA) administrations over a long period of time. Efforts against Ellsberg and the press continued in order to prevent further decay of the fooling process.
How is it possible in the 20th century USA -- with TV and high levels of communication, with freedom of the press, freedom of speech -- to fool most of the people all of the time? Here is how it is done. Five ingredients are required.
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The Five Big Events. The five events since World War II about which the power control group must continue to fool the American people about are the assassinations of John Kennedy, Robert Kennedy and Martin Luther King; the attempted assassination of George Wallace; and the Watergate episode. (In 1973, the truth about Chappaquiddick and its importance, together with the threats against Jackie Kennedy, Ethel Kennedy, Ted Kennedy and all of the Kennedy children, had not been exposed. Chappaquiddick is the sixth big event.)
All other things this group has done since 1947 fade into insignificance compared to these five. The reason is that the American people may accept such things as the Pueblo incident, the Gulf of Tonkin fake, the Mylai incident, the Pentagon Papers, the Kent State killings, the frame-ups of the Black Panthers and their murders, and even the whole Viet Nam war, but they would rise up in wrath if the truth about any one or all of those five events were exposed.
Thus, Mr. Hanson for Sirhan, Mr. Fensterwald for James Earl Ray, Mr. Lawrence O'Brien and the Watergate suit -- anyone opposing the findings of the Warren Commission with national prominence and success -- and anyone who begins to pry too much into George Wallace's brush with death will be opposed with all the power those in control can muster. Each will be dealt with if he comes too close, just as Jim Garrison was dealt with by both the Johnson and Nixon administrations. Garrison managed to beat out the Nixon-controlled Justice Department in his own trial in September 1973. The jury in New Orleans found him innocent in spite of the fact that the prosecuting attorney, the judge, the key witness, Pershing Gervais, and the news media were all controlled by Nixon and Mitchell. By late 1973 it was becoming a little more difficult to fool the people.





All of the above and more can be found can be found and downloaded from http://www.ratical.org

THE SECRET TEAM


The CIA
and Its Allies
in Control of the United
States and the World



L. FLETCHER PROUTY
Col., U.S. Air Force (Ret.)
(January 24, 1917 - June 5, 2001)
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/ST/ST.html

“A new Pearl Harbor”, was what the PNACers proposed could serve as an acceptable justification for pursuing endless war and empire. The term came directly from the PNAC doctrine.

but isn't it really a reference to the PNAC statement that “The process of transformation,”re-arangeing the Middle East and taking out Saddam, “is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event—like a new Pearl Harbor?”

Whatever.

Someday we 9/11 truth seekers will be vindicated.. :)