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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 04:51 AM
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Response: Don't believe the official 'conspiracy' theory {Guardian}
"We have to ask who stood to gain the most from the appalling events of 9/11, says Tim Sparke"

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"George Monbiot's explicit attack on the film Loose Change (A 9/11 conspiracy virus is sweeping the world ..., February 6) has no basis in fact. While we accept that there are flaws in the current version of the film, we stand by its overarching theme that the official "conspiracy" theory of 9/11, constructed in the hours, days, weeks and months after 9/11, is false."

"Monbiot suggests that thousands of people must have been involved in the conspiracy, as if the official story must therefore be true. We have no clue as to how many (though some suggest probably fewer than 1,000); but wasn't the Manhattan project, involving 100,000, kept secret, even from Vice-President Truman, until weeks before the first atom bomb was dropped?"

More: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2011845,00.html




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godless Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 05:54 AM
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1. There seems to be a general perception that secets are the...
exception and not the rule in the game of life. Maybe so, but whistleblowers are actually pretty rare in any organized environment. They're probably even more rare when their bosses are willing to send anthrax mail-o-grams to certain congressmen and senators as a warning to back off where investigations into the crime in question are concerned! We are dealing with ruthless murderers here, afterall.


My question is which strains credulity more: the fact that thousands have kept a big ugly secret, most likely because they fear for their lives and their family's futures, or that a newbie pilot with only a sim flight under his belt could actually pilot a 757 into the side of the Pentagon? Flying something that big is not exactly like riding a bike. Maybe there'd be fewer conspracy nuts out there if the official story made a little more sense. Okay. You're right. It needs to make A LOT more sense.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 07:34 AM
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2. Tim Sparke doesn't know what he's talking about
Additionally, in accepting that the towers collapsed at virtually free-fall speed ("the weight of the collapsing top storeys generated a momentum the rest of the building could not arrest"), Monbiot shows no awareness that this explanation violates the law of conservation of momentum.


No, the law of conservation of momentum is not violated by this. The floors of the tower fall towards the centre of the earth at increasing speed; and the earth accelerates upwards, at a minuscule rate. That's what happens when things fall. You don't try and work out the momentum the floors and the earth have, because it's not a useful thing to know, but momentum is conserved. And I think that shows that Sparke can't handle high school physics. It doesn't bode well for his film.

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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 07:39 AM
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3. For the record
I don't recommend Loose Change as a documentary - it is too sensationalist and too confident in it's often flawed conclusions BUT...
I think it was very important in getting the ball rolling and asking questions that still need answers.

("9/11: Press for Truth" is much better - more factual and more credible. And David Ray Griffin's "New Pearl Harbor" is a very thorough exploration of the issues too).
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salvorhardin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 08:08 AM
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4. Not to mention that Loose Change is sourced almost entirely from American Free Press
Why should liberals and progressives want to support holocaust deniers? I appreciate seeking the truth, but the truth never comes from neo-nazis.

Also, Chip Berlet has a good review of David Ray Griffin's book: http://www.publiceye.org/conspire/Post911/dubious_claims.html

And a response by Griffin: http://www.publiceye.org/conspire/Post911/Griffin1.html
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