Selling the official story on 9/11 was the job of the media from the very beginning

check out the actor who tells us the official story for how the towers collapsed--
http://www.youtube.com/v/yhUypUMDEko

He's like an infomercial announcer!

"advocacy journalism" on their homepage.
www.newamericancentury.org

Paystub for this guy? Don't have that?

So this is just one more bit of noise you guys use to drown out the sound of the truth. Maybe he sounds scripted because he knew was going to be on television and he thought about how to say what he had to say. CONSPIRACY!

the wrong post! :shrug:
What claims should I be backing up! Why should I provide evidence anyway? You don't!
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Spooked made some assertions, and you spoke in favor of them.

You're both saying that the guy in that video is an "advocate journalist," in your words.

You should provide evidence anyway. I do provide evidence (recent Steve Spak video? recent Pentagon video? etc, etc), but even if I didn't, you should be the better man and show me the error of my ways with hard data and actual facts.

Blah!

yeah that's right... and then won't answer questions about it's provenance.

Oh the sweet irony.

The fact is that within 30 minutes of planes hitting the towers the story was in place.

And... PNAC do regard "advocacy journalism" as extremly important in their plans for global domination.

The joke (not a very funny joke) is they told us all what they were going to do - right out in the open - and signed up to it, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Bush... you know who they are.

Provenance. I have said repeatedly that you should ask Mr. Spak about this. He would have the answer to your questions. If you wanted the answer to your question, you would not keep asking me. You would ask Steve Spak. You are not interested in the answer, though, because the answer would deprive you of your favorite talking point regarding this video.

You have no reason to doubt the video except that it doesn't show you what you want to see about WTC 7. That is pseudoscientific thinking at its finest. Ken Ham has a job for you whenever this 9/11 "truth" stuff blows over.

So, PNAC "do" regard "advocacy journalism" as extremely important. Would you care to show your research on that?

is in Steve Pak's own words a "rare video" (whatever that means) - that doesn't sound very available since 2001 to me.

Are you sure you are talking about the correct video Boloboffin?

And as for the PNAC and avocacy journalism... you should have read WildBill's link. Its there on their homepage!

He's just here to Googlebomb and drive traffic to these sites.

Spak's use of "rare" is clear by his context. It's not a video that has been seen much. It's only been available from him on a copywrited DVD. "Rare" is a good description of this video.

"Accurate" is another.

You didn't follow the link to the PNAC website (yes their own web site) where they talk about the fact they use "advocacy journalism".

Ah well, not surprised you don't want to go there.

"Rare Video" - 5 years of internet war about WTC7 and finally it appears in the public domain... with a recent voice-over... OK..

It's not a video that has been seen much.

Damn right! Or even a video that has been seen before.

The video confuses me actually, what exactly is that picture halfway through that he claims to have taken in a "split second" when the smoke cleared?

He claims he took the photo... what was he doing... videoing or photographing... what is "rare"? The video or actually the photo? Where did he lose that photo for 5 years? "Rare video" and "rare photo". Hm mm..

No?

Hm. So this is just one more lie you guys tell yourselves so that you don't have to get up out of your film seats and stumble out into the bright light. Pity.

get a clue, PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!

Therefore, Larry Silverstein had the buildings demolished. :sarcasm:

You don't have to tell me to get a clue, spooked. Your postings alone are a cautionary tale writ large on the dire necessity of getting a clue.

"Get a clue," pleads spooked911, "or you'll end up like me, in a bunny cage down by the river!"

Uh, yeah.

He sounds like he had his little line well-memorized, to me.

Whatever.

Funny. When Dr. Bill "Cat Killer" Frist diagnoses a patient by videotape we call it bullshit, and rightly so. When grifters selling myths, lies and anti-semitic bigotry based on the tragedy of 9-11 pretend to diagnose crime by videotape, hordes of true believers eat the shit up like it was candy. I'd laugh at it and get in on the carny sideshow myself to make a little spare cash if it weren't all so ghoulish and detrimental to the goals of the left.

I've always wondered what had happened to people believed such films.

infomercial announcer tones, there is something wrong with you.

They're paid to be disingenious...

The old standby ad hominem for the CT crowd: accuse your debate opponents of being paid. We've even got somebody starting up the old bushco supporter meme in another thread. Somebody fire up the barbecue - it's old home week here at the September 11 Forum.

See the squib on the right side of the building? The plane had just barely entered, yet here is a "puff" where it supposedly has gone.

and sounds like him too--I'd like to have a freeze-frame tight shot on that guy.

Has anyone else noticed how closely Gannon's work parallels that of Faux News' Carl Cameron, who was caught fabricating Kerry quotes on the campaign trail but was not only not the subject of a multimillion-dollar investigation CBS-style, but was promoted to White House correspondent in January, when "Jeff Gannon, investigative press-release rewrite man" got his first "question" to the president?

SFox News called him “Campaign Carl.” His sister works for the Bush campaign and hangs with Laura, so he’s assigned to cover John Kerry. Bored silly by the assignment, Carl decided the morning after the first debate to post a story on the Fox website putting made-up quotes in Kerry’s mouth…stuff about nails and cuticles, metrosexuals and cowboys. Fox subsequently took down the story “written in jest…fatigue and bad judgement, not malice.” Whatever the reasons for this boyish prank that would have gotten any cub reporter fired, it reveals a lack of professionalism and the true attitudes of one Fox “journalist.”

The story went unreported on Fox’s broadcast news programs, which were seized at the time with something they called “Rathergate.” Meanwhile, “Campaign Carl’s” back on the Kerry beat serving up his usual “fair and balanced” distortions.

Also, Cameron was the reporter who said Richard Shelby was the one who leaked the NSA spying program.

Here is a video of Cameron "interviewing" (or ass-kissing) Bush:

http://mfile.akamai.com/11671/mov/cdn.moveon.org/media/2000-07-19_cameron_bush_pre_interview.mov

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Anyway, back to Jamie McIntyre

PENTAGON FOOTAGE REVEALS ANOTHER COVER-UP BY CNN’S YAPPER JAMIE MCINTYRE CONTRADICTS ORIGINAL REPORT The people at CNN "your trusted news service" and FOX "balance news" are paid millions to lie to us. May 18, 2006

The release of new video footage of the 9/11 attack on the Pentagon has spurred yet another controversy. In anticipation of the release, CNN’s Kyra Phillips was interviewed Jamie McIntyre that Tuesday afternoon, and asked him what happened at the Pentagon on 9/11, as he was reporting live from the scene that day.


Referring to the idea that something other than a 757 hit the Pentagon, McIntyre stated, "Having been there on September 11th, having seen the plane wreckage and photographed it myself personally, I can tell you that’s nonsense"…Sound Clip: http://www.thepowerhour.com/audio_files/jamie_mcintire_5_16_2.wav



"I had a camera with me, I took pictures of some of the wreckage, some of the parts of the fuselage of …a part of the cockpit, until they told us we had to move back away from the scene…" Sound Clip: http://www.thepowerhour.com/audio_files/jamie_mcintire_5_16_1.wav


However, McIntyre’s comments are in direct contradiction to his original report on 9/11, when he stated, "…from my close up inspection, there’s no evidence of a plane having crashed anywhere near the Pentagon. The only site is the actual… side of the building that’s crashed in and as I said, the only pieces left that you can see are small enough that you can pick up in your hand. There are no large tail sections, wing sections, a fuselage, nothing like that anywhere around which would indicate that the entire plane crashed into the side of the Pentagon." Sound Clip: http://www.thepowerhour.com/audio_files/jamie_mcintire_%209_11.wav

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SLENSKE: When you came back, was there anything that really bothered you about the American public?

ROWE: Yeah, their ability to believe the B.S. they see on TV. They're so in tune with their television and CNN and Fox News and the New York Post. They watch the news and the news reporter, whoever it is, forms an opinion for them. Take the release of the Pentagon video. CNN had been bashing conspiracies all day because people kept writing in about conspiracy theories. They build it up for two hours, then they show the video, then Jamie McIntyre, who we actually use in our video says, "All right, there's the plane, you can see it. There's the vapor trail, and there's the explosion. They only shoot in half-second frames; it's the only shot of the Pentagon. We'll be right back to cover more of this. This is undisputed proof that a plane hit the Pentagon."

They go to commercial, and instead of coming back and going to Flight 77, they go to "American Idol." They just implant the idea, there's Jamie McIntyre saying he sees a 757 flying into the Pentagon, and then they switch to "American Idol." So then when someone says there's no plane that hit the Pentagon, someone else can say, "That's not true; I watched CNN this afternoon. Jamie McIntyre saw the plane; he showed me." People believe anything because it's on CNN.

http://www.alternet.org/mediaculture/40693/

• March 7, 2002 - A set of five frames taken from a Pentagon security camera that supposedly shows Flight 77 crashing into it and erupting in a huge fireball are released to the media, however the Pentagon says the photos were not released "officially" by the Dept. of Defense.

"BROWN: Now to the Pentagon, some remarkable pictures of American Airlines Flight 77, which hit the Pentagon on September 11th.

JAMIE MCINTYRE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Aaron, for six months only a handful of people actually saw what it looked like when that plane hit this building. When I first saw those pictures today, I was surprised by something. You'll see them. They were seen first on CNN today. Aaron.

MCINTYRE (voice over): The sequence of five photographs obtained by CNN was taken by an automatic security camera at a Pentagon checkpoint and shows what, up to now, was seen by only a few eyewitnesses, that the American Airlines 757 came in extremely low before hitting the ground floor of the Pentagon.

MCINTYRE: At first glance, it's hard to see the jetliner in the first frame, but it's there just a few feet off the ground. The plane hit the Pentagon at a 45-degree angle, and was reduced to tiny fragments by the impact. The biggest piece of fuselage that could be found outside the Pentagon was only about three feet long. The only other recognizable feature can be seen in this exclusive CNN photograph, the shattered cockpit window. One hundred eighty-nine people were killed, 125 on the ground, 64 on the plane, including the five hijackers.

MCINTYRE (on camera): These pictures are the first to be made public, but they are not the only images of the plane hitting the Pentagon." - CNN (03/07/02)

"Officials from the Pentagon said the photos were not released officially by the Department of Defense. A Pentagon spokeswoman could not verify that they came from surveillance cameras.

"The Pentagon has not released any video or any photos from security cameras from the terrorist attack of Sept. 11," said Pentagon spokeswoman Cheryl Irwin.

A spokeswoman at the Department of Justice, which reviews taped and photographed evidence obtained by federal security cameras, said she could not comment on whether the photos are legitimate, adding that the photos "were not disseminated by the FBI or the Department of Justice." - Washington Post/AP (03/07/02)

"Images show September 11 Pentagon crash" - CNN (03/08/02)