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Rick Myers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 08:49 PM
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MY ONLY 9/11 QUESTION!!! (This is a MAJOR hole in the story)
Andrew Card reported that he said, "Mr. President, the country is under attack..." Correct?

So, at that MOMENT in AMERICAN HISTORY, why did the Secret Service stand idle for 7 minutes and do NOTHING???

Seems to me that the pResident doesn't get to make the call in that type of situation.

Seems to me the Secret Service would have carried him BODILY out of the building and back to the first availalbe safe zone. first the car, then Air force One!!!

Does ANYONE have any idea WHY the SS would NOT act???
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teach1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 08:53 PM
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1. Everything was going according to plan...
...Cheney didn't want Bush in the way.

Cheney was whisked away by SS.
Bush was shown a sign by his press secretary: "Don't say anything yet."
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 08:54 PM
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2. Possibly hand-picked group
that could be told what to do by higher-ups, and ignore standard protocol?
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 08:56 PM
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3. The Secret Service let him stay there for THIRTY FULL MINUTES!
And the school was just FIVE MILES from the nearest international airport.

Note that General Myers' and Rumsfeld's "explanations" for what they were doing between 9:05 and 9:40 EDT that day (completely outside of the WTC attack loop because they were having "private" meetings about the terrorist threat) are equally incredible.

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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 08:59 PM
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5. From the Condensed 9/11 Primer (circa 2002)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x13762

Supporting notes for the strange events of 9/11.


A) Bush's schedule between the first WTC crash and the Pentagon crash.

In July 2001, at the G8 Summit in Genoa, Italy, US President George W. Bush was himself the suspected target of a terrorist plot to crash a hijacked commercial plane into a building. "Italian officials took the reports seriously enough to prompt extraordinary precautions during the July summit of the Group of 8 nations, including closing the airspace over Genoa and stationing antiaircraft guns at the city’s airport." (Sources: New York Newsday, Sept 19, 2001 and LA Times, Sept. 29, 2001, http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-09270... )

Given that Bush himself was a suspected target of a “hijacked plane bomb" terrorist attack in July, how can the Bush administration possibly explain the fact that Bush kept reading about a pet goat in a widely publicized, previously scheduled public appearance in Sarasota, FL only 5 miles from the Sarasota-Brandenton International Airport for nearly 30 minutes AFTER it had become obvious to everyone that the US was dealing with a coordinated attack of suicide-bomber-terrorist-hijackers? From 9/12 AP reports (for example, http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,46692,00.html ): "In Florida, Bush was reading to children in a classroom at 9:05 a.m. when his chief of staff, Andrew Card, whispered into his ear. The president briefly turned somber before he resumed reading. He addressed the tragedy about a half-hour later."

Didn't it cross anybody's mind in the entire Bush entourage that the grammar school might be the terrorists' next target and that they just might want to get Bush and ALL OF THE LITTLE KIDS he was reading with out of harm's way? If not, why not?

Remember that just two months before, Bush himself was the suspected target of just such a terrorist plot. Is there no one in the entire Bush administration intelligence/Secret Service with a three digit IQ?

The simplest and clearest explanation for this bizarre reaction to the VERY real potential of toddler mass murder is administration foreknowledge at the highest levels. Bravado doesn't fly as an explanation because Bush would be taking little kids with him in any potential attack. Stunned inaction doesn't fly either because the primary mission of the entire Secret Service is to ensure the President's safety. There are only two choices here: the Bush administration was either CRIMINALLY INCOMPETENT or just plain CRIMINAL.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 08:58 PM
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4. In a LIHOP or MIHOP, they could not allow * to run things - so they sent
him to Florida and Cheney told everyone to keep him away. That look on his face was because he was told that everything was OK in Washington, not too worry, that he should go along with the publicity maneuver to fly around the country for awhile. Didn't * say that he demanded that he fly back to Washington after a few hours in and around Nebraska?
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 09:05 PM
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9. Also in LIHOP/MIHOP, all four planes were supposed to take off at nearly
the same time, and the takeoff delays for Flight 77 (about 20 minutes) & 93 (about 40 minutes) requires theses folks to act clueless for about 25 - 30 minutes the WTC attack lest the question become "why couldn't the POTUS/Sec. Defense/acting commander get a couple of fighters on these planes' asses within 45 minutes of the time he rushed to C&C attend to the crisis"?


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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 09:01 PM
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6. consider this
Earlier that morning, a group of Middle Eastern men had tried to get to Bush at his hotel, posing as journalists. Why were they not detained? Why is there little mention of this in the press?

Earlier that morning, an exercise was being run by CIA/NSA out of the situation room of the WH; the scenario was a plane crashing into a federal building. Cheney was supervising the exercise. Why is there little mention of this? (It's the perfect cover for the late starts and confusion, but the WH won't mention it.)

The director of the situation room was in Florida with George. Why?

Why were Rove, Fleischer and Card all traveling with George to an elementary school photo-op? Is that usual?

Why did Jeb Bush make certain executive orders BEFORE the attacks?

Oh gee. The list goes on and on and on.

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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 09:05 PM
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8. And Ariel Fleischer's brother is put in charge of rebuilding Iraq?
Hmmm. Rightwinger in charge of a rebuild and no locals are given jobs..

hmmm....
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 10:29 PM
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17. as to your 2nd point
the info in the 'intercepted AQ message' that pissed off Cheney, that was released early on
was
'the match is set for tomorrow' or something to that effect.

I remember reading (perhaps on paul thompson's webpage a few years ago) that there was a spy they were investigating that passed the info of the exercise to AQ...'the match' was what let the attack under the radar.


dp
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 09:03 PM
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7. From that moment on
Those moments of inaction should tell you that there was something afoot with the boosh people that day.

Then seeing that NO action was taken by any of the defense forces and knowing that the booshes knew planes would be hijacked, one simply must allow the other questions to enter the mind.

Now, if you are weak minded and get your jollies by allowing the media and government to decide these questions for you, well, then, you're just weak minded, eh?

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milkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 09:08 PM
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10. Yep, this has been one of the most preposterous things about that morning.
Every American has always thought that at the first sign of danger to the President the Secret Service would grab him and rush him to safety. Yet there apparently was not even a discussion about it. bush was attending a public event in an announced location with little security, yet nobody thought he might be in danger? I guarantee you the Secret Service did (unless they were instructed otherwise beforehand). Haven't these guys ever watched "24"? Unless the government had foreknowledge of the attacks, there was no way they would know what might still be to come.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 09:10 PM
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12. he essentially was a decoy, wasn't he?
The real boss was in Washington, authorizing shoot-down, telling members of Congress they could not return to the Capitol, etc. ("We control the helicopters" Cheney told Daschle.)

Bush was a distraction -- something for the press to obsess over. Cheney prefers to work that way.
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Senior citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 09:10 PM
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11. The Secret Service are proud, competent and dedicated.

They can be trusted to protect the President.

So the only answer is that they must have known that he wasn't in any danger. How did they know that? Good question. Perhaps they'd overheard discussions regarding White House plans for 9/11.

They'd probably been around him long enough to also know that he wasn't in charge of anything and wasn't needed anywhere.
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wellstone_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 09:14 PM
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13. Another issue with that same thing:
the excuse for flying around the country was that the Secret Service forced them to until the parameters of the situation were known (forget the bogus claim of AF1 as a 'target'). But, they weren't in charge of determining security right then at the school?????

seriously, think about this.
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 09:32 PM
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14. Another Hole...
Has anyone/any group actually claimed responsibility?

If I were pissed off enough to do something on that scale, and if I succeeded, I'd make damn sure that everyone knew that I did it and why I did it.

Has OBL or anyone in AQ actually claimed responsibility for the World Trade Center attacks?
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 09:45 PM
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15. Does ANYONE have any idea WHY the SS would NOT act???
Edited on Tue Sep-07-04 09:46 PM by JohnyCanuck
Maybe they were just a tad confused (along with NORAD and the USAF) and figured this was another of the Dick Cheney war games he was playing at that morning from his underground bunker. </saracsm>

From Mike Ruppert's recent Speech to the Commonwealth Club:

FOR ME, THE PIVOTAL EVIDENCE ABSOLUTELY DEMONSTRATING
DIRECT GOVERNMENT COMPLICITY IN, AND MANAGEMENT OF, THE
ATTACKS WAS FOUND IN A NUMBER OF UNDISPUTED, YET VIRTUALLY
UNADDRESSED WARGAMES THAT I WILL SHOW WERE BEING
CONDUCTED, COORDINATED AND/OR CONTROLLED BY VICE PRESIDENT
DICK CHENEY OR HIS IMMEDIATE STAFF ON THE MORNING OF
SEPTEMBER 11TH. THE NAMES OF THOSE WARGAMES ARE KNOWN TO
INCLUDE: VIGILANT GUARDIAN, VIGILANT WARRIOR, NORTHERN
GUARDIAN, NORTHERN VIGILANCE, AND TRIPOD II. ALL HAVE BEEN
REPORTED ON BY MAJOR PRESS ORGANIZATIONS RELYING ON
UNDISPUTED QUOTES FROM PARTICIPATING MILITARY PERSONNEL.
THEY HAVE ALSO BEEN CONFIRMED BY NORAD PRESS RELEASES. ALL,
EXCEPT FOR NORTHERN VIGILANCE AND TRIPOD II HAD TO DO WITH
HIJACKED AIRLINERS INSIDE THE CONTINENTAL UNITED STATES,
SPECIFICALLY WITHIN THE NORTHEAST AIR DEFENSE SECTOR WHERE
ALL FOUR 9/11 HIJACKINGS OCCURRED.

ACCORDING TO A CLEAR RECORD SOME OF THESE EXERCISES
INVOLVED COMMERCIAL AIRLINE HIJACKINGS. IN SOME CASES FALSE
BLIPS WERE DELIBERATELY INSERTED ONTO FAA AND MILITARY RADAR
SCREENS AND THEY WERE PRESENT DURING (AT LEAST) THE FIRST
ATTACKS. THIS EFFECTIVELY PARALYZED FIGHTER RESPONSE
BECAUSE, WITH ONLY EIGHT FIGHTERS AVAILABLE IN THE REGION,
THERE WERE AS MANY AS 22 POSSIBLE HIJACKINGS TAKING PLACE.
OTHER EXERCISES, SPECIFICALLY NORTHERN VIGILANCE HAD PULLED
SIGNIFICANT FIGHTER RESOURCES AWAY FROM THE NORTHEAST U.S.
– JUST BEFORE 9/11 – INTO NORTHERN CANADA AND ALASKA. IN
ADDITION, A CLOSE READING OF KEY NEWS STORIES PUBLISHED IN THE
SPRING OF 2004 REVEALED FOR THE FIRST TIME THAT SOME OF THESE
DRILLS WERE “LIVE-FLY” EXERCISES WHERE ACTUAL AIRCRAFT, LIKELY
FLOWN BY REMOTE CONTROL – WERE SIMULATING THE BEHAVIOR OF
HIJACKED AIRLINERS IN REAL LIFE. ALL OF THIS AS THE REAL ATTACKS
BEGAN. THE FACT THAT THESE EXERCISES HAD NEVER BEEN
SYSTEMATICALLY AND THOROUGHLY EXPLORED IN THE MAINSTREAM
PRESS, OR PUBLICLY BY CONGRESS, OR AT LEAST PUBLICLY IN ANY
DETAIL BY THE SO-CALLED INDEPENDENT 9/11 COMMISSION MADE ME
THINK THAT THEY MIGHT BE THE HOLY GRAIL OF 9/11.

THAT’S EXACTLY WHAT THEY TURNED OUT TO BE.

www.fromthewilderness.com/PDF/Commonwealth.pdf

And from Paul Thompson's 911 timeline website www.cooperativeresearch.org :

Nearly every news account fails to mention when Bush left the classroom after being told America was under attack. Three mention 9:12 a.m. Remaining in the classroom for approximately five to seven minutes is inexcusable, but the video of Bush in the classroom suggests he stayed longer than that. The video contains several edits and ends before Bush leaves the room, so it also doesn't tell us exactly how long he stayed. One newspaper suggested he remained "for eight or nine minutes" - sometime between 9:13 and 9:16, since Card's arrival is uncertain.

When Bush finally did leave, he didn't act like a man in a hurry. In fact, he was described as "openly stretching out the moment." When the lesson was over, Bush said to the children: "Hoo! These are great readers. Very impressive! Thank you all so much for showing me your reading skills. I bet they practice too. Don't you? Reading more than they watch TV? Anybody do that? Read more than you watch TV? Oh that's great! Very good. Very important to practice! Thanks for having me. Very impressed." Bush still continued to talk, advising the children to stay in school and be good citizens. One student asked Bush a question, and he gave a quick response on his education policy.

The only source to describe what happened next is Fighting Back by Bill Sammon. Publishers Weekly described Sammon's book as an "inside account of the Bush administration's reaction to 9-11 a breathless, highly complimentary portrait of the president the great merit and unwavering moral vision of his inner circle." Sammon's conservative perspective makes his account of Bush's behavior at the end of the photo-op all the more surprising. Bush is described as smiling and chatting with the children "as if he didn't have a care in the world" and "in the most relaxed manner imaginable." White House aide Gordon Johndroe, then came in as he usually does at the end of press conferences, and said, "Thank you, press. If you could step out the door we came in, please." A reporter then asked, "Mr. President, are you aware of the reports of the plane crash in New York? Is there anything...", But Bush interrupted, and no doubt recalling his order, "DON'T SAY ANYTHING YET," Bush responded, "I'll talk about it later." But still the president did not leave. "He stepped forward and shook hands with Daniels, slipping his left hand behind her in another photo-op pose. He was taking his good old time. ... Bush lingered until the press was gone."

Think about that: rather than rush out of the room at the first chance, Bush actually stayed until after all the dozens of reporters had left! Having just been told of a Pearl Harbor-type attack on US soil, Bush was indeed "openly stretching out the moment." But he still wasn't done. Bush then turned to principal Tose-Rigell, who was waiting to take him to the library for his speech on education. He explained to her about the terror attacks and why he had to leave. Finally, he went to an empty classroom next door where his staff was based. Given that Bush's program was supposed to end at 9:20, he left the classroom only a couple of minutes earlier than planned, if even that.


www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/main/essayaninterestingday.html
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gumby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 10:13 PM
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16. The (My) Pet Goat
REALLY IS the Rosetta Stone.
There is NO rational explanation.

Everything else revolves around this episode.

And why did W say that he "saw" the first plane hit the first tower on two separate occasions?

He saw it. He knew it. Who is going to prove it?
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