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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 07:33 PM
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9/11 FAQ: A Guide to 9/11 Conspiracy Theory
This essay makes some good general points about 9/11--

from http://ranprieur.com/essays/911FAQ.html (original has embedded links)--

Do you believe the conspiracy theories about 9/11?

Every theory about 9/11 is a conspiracy theory. The dominant theory says that it was a conspiracy of Islamic extremists acting independently. It's not necessary to believe a different theory, only to accept that the dominant theory could be a giant lie, and it soon becomes obvious that the operation was planned and managed from the inside.

So you think the government was behind it?

Saying "the government" makes it sound like your local postal clerk was in on it. I prefer the phrase "powerful insiders," or better yet, "criminal elites." I'm sure some of the operatives had government jobs, and they might have even been following government chains of command. But this world has levels of power and chains of command too important, or too criminal, to be publicly viewable.

Wouldn't an insider conspiracy involve a large number of people and be hard to keep secret?

Not necessarily. It's not hard to come up with a speculative scenario that involves fewer conspirators than the independent "terrorist" theory. And insiders have a lot more incentive to keep quiet, and probably more practice.

Most important, what the public knows is what the public wants to know, or what they're told over and over, not what one person says that sounds totally crazy. The reason they get away with this stuff is not that they're good at hiding it -- on the contrary, they do it right out in the open! They get away with it precisely because people can't believe they would do it. Napoleon said, "To be believed, make the truth unbelievable."

Our leaders would never do something like that to their own people.

It's fully documented that our leaders would do something exactly like that. Operation Northwoods was a plan in the 1960's to conduct fake terror attacks, including killing Americans and blowing up planes, and blame it on Cuba to get public support for an invasion. It was probably Kennedy who rejected the plan. Would Cheney?

Rulers have been sacrificing their own people for thousands of years in wars, purges, and medical experiments. For humans with hierarchical power to sacrifice the people under them is the most normal thing in history.

I just don't think they would be that evil.

That belief was put into us. For a top-down system to function, we must believe that the people below us are immoral and untrustworthy, and the people above us are the same in private as they appear in public. The truth is exactly the opposite. People with power over others become corrupt, and people with great criminal minds don't rob liquor stores -- they seek the highest levels of power in the world, and some of them get there.

Still, the 9/11 planners do seem to have tried to minimize deaths -- the planes were mostly empty, the WTC was mostly evacuated, and the Pentagon was hit in a reinforced section.

But they would never sacrifice a building as valuable as the World Trade Center.

That's exactly why I thought at first that it had to be outsiders. I didn't know yet that the WTC was an albatross -- it was inefficient, difficult to upgrade for high-tech offices, and needed asbestos abatement that would cost more than the original buildings! Also the complex had just changed owners and was heavily insured.

So you think it was about money?

I think money was a big part of it. There were probably other motivations on other levels. The neocons wanted to plunge America into a fascist frame of mind and get popular support for the Iraq invasion. Mike Ruppert's book Crossing The Rubicon builds a case against Dick Cheney. Osama bin Laden, if he was really in on it, might have also wanted a war, which he (correctly) thought his side would win.

If you don't have a solid explanation, why should I accept what you say?

We (the general public) do not have enough evidence for a complete story, because it's all been sealed or destroyed. But it's human nature to crave a story -- that's why people go for the unified and confident official story instead of the sketchy and contradictory independent stories, and it's why people on the fringe are tempted to connect a few dots into an elaborate picture. But this makes them an easy target: "Look at those wacky conspiracy theories." Also, the perpetrators have both the motive and the resources to sabotage independent inquiry with stupid theories and hoaxes.

What I prefer, both tactically and spiritually, is to not get caught up in any particular story, but to practice the skill of balancing many different stories in my imagination at the same time, and always looking beyond -- not building walls but looking for openings.

(snip)

If it's so obvious, why hasn't anyone seen through it but the conspiracy nuts?

It's not intelligence or sanity that enables people to see through big lies. It's imagination and social position. Stepping into the fringe, on any issue, is a great responsibility. If they lied about that, what else did they lie about? Suddenly you're no longer a passive consumer but a full-time investigator, questioning and evaluating and filtering everything yourself. Most people just don't have the time or the mental energy to take on such a chore, so they choose to accept the TV news at face value -- if not the opinions then at least the facts.

Also, anyone who challenges the dominant story is immediately reclassified as a conspiracy nut! Pierre Salinger was a respected mainstream journalist and former U.S. Senator who became a joke when he declared that TWA 800 was hit by a missile, even though many eyewitnesses saw a missile hit the plane and the cover-up was hilariously clumsy. Paul Craig Roberts is a former Assistant Treasury Secretary and Wall Street Journal editor, and now he's just another loony. So, on top of the mental and emotional difficulty of overcoming a big lie, there's also the looming threat to your credibility. Even ordinary people don't want their friends to think they're crazy. Imagine how much more difficult it must be for someone like Brian Williams or Michael Moore. They're smart enough to know that they can't afford to go anywhere near the evidence.

What about all the articles debunking the conspiracy theories?

There's a difference between explaining something, and explaining it away. Those articles ignore the strong arguments, pick on the weak arguments and hoaxes, and generally serve an audience that just wants to be soothed and told that everything's OK. Because we live in a highly controlled society, which requires controlled uniformity of fact, any good debunking of dominant facts is marginalized, while a single flaw in a system of non-dominant facts is grounds for total dismissal. To paraphrase Carl Sagan: evidence that contradicts the ruling belief system is held to extraordinary standards, while evidence that entrenches it is uncritically accepted.

Wouldn't it be too difficult to plant demolition charges in the buildings?

Normal controlled demolitions have limited budgets, plenty of time, and no need for secrecy, so they use a very large number of low-tech charges with just enough force to bring down the building. With vast funds, access to high-tech explosives, and the need to maximize stealth, the 9/11 technicians could use a small number of charges with a very high total energy to produce roughly the same effect. Or think of it this way: it would only take a few hours for an expert team to plant thermobarics or micro-nukes with more destructive force, and more symmetrical distribution, than a plane hitting a building.

Do you think flight 77 really hit the Pentagon?

There are some anomalies in the Pentagon story -- certainly the alleged pilot did not have the skill for the maneuvers made by the plane. It's possible that flight 77 was switched with a smaller plane, but the lack of wreckage could also be explained by the better-supported theory that the plane was rigged to explode just before or after impact. I think the Pentagon controversy mostly serves as a distraction from the much stronger evidence at the WTC.

(snip)

What evidence would you accept as proving you wrong?

It would be a good start if a full public release of flight recorder data, a full public release of air traffic controller statements, and a thorough public analysis of the crash sites and wreckage, all confirmed the Bush/Cheney administration's story. If they wanted me to believe them, they shouldn't have destroyed all that stuff!

What first made you doubt the official story?

When they found a car at the airport with a Koran and a flight manual. How dumb do they think I am? A clue that obvious is not evidence of guilt but evidence of a frame-up. Suddenly I realized that I was watching a performance.

Will the truth ever come out?

There's a popular myth that someone will stand up and reveal "the truth" and then everyone will "know." But it doesn't work that way. People believe what they want to believe. 30% of Americans still think Iraq had WMD's, even after years of the TV news telling them otherwise. The truth can only be accepted by people who have no personal investment in the lie. Thomas Kuhn famously observed that paradigm shifts happen not when the investors in the old paradigm change their minds, but when they die. In 50 or 200 years, historians will look back and say, obviously, it was an inside job, and by then it will be too late to know the full story.

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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 08:36 PM
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1. I remember when the Pentagon was the hot place to be for 9/11 CT.
It was the smoking gun. Now it's just a "distraction."

Any CT proven irredeemably proven wrong becomes a "distraction." It doesn't become a great, big, honking mistake. It certainly never becomes a reason to question one's entire approach to the events of 9/11. It's always a "distraction" from the chocolate ration increase last week, comrades!

*sigh*
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mrgerbik Donating Member (652 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 11:18 AM
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4. only your straw men theories in the CT camp have been "irredeemably" debunked
Even some of your OCT versions of events still contain blatant inconsistencies - hence why the theories arise in the first place! People just aren't satisfied with what is being forced down their throats. You have to admit at this point that the whole thing smells a tad funny, no?

Too many inconsistencies, too many coincidences, too much missing evidence, too much warning, too much supposed incompetence == cover-up.

Until we receive a proper investigation, it should remain open season on the OCT fairy tale.

BTW.. who says people don't (and aren't allowed to) make mistakes - especially under a new and emerging system of inquiry and investigation? Why does it seem that the CT camp is allowed to question one's entire approach (and set up straw men) to the events when an opposing camps theory is in error, yet on the same token, the OCT get unlimited get-out-jail free cards? Seems to me there were many theories thrown around to support the collapse initiation of the pancake theory before one was finally settled on. Hell, WTC7 is still up in the air.

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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 12:52 PM
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6. A perfect example of what I was talking about
Flight 77 denial used to be the smoking gun, but now it's a "CT Straw Man." How the mighty have fallen!
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mrgerbik Donating Member (652 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 01:09 PM
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7. muddying the waters doesn't help either... n/t
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elias7 Donating Member (913 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 02:32 PM
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9. typical misdirection and lack of honest response to the OP
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mrgerbik Donating Member (652 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 03:53 AM
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2. great article Spooked! n/t
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nebula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 07:18 AM
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3. They found a Koran and a flight manual
at the airport!

:rofl:


This sums up my first reaction to the official story exactly.


What first made you doubt the official story?

When they found a car at the airport with a Koran and a flight manual. How dumb do they think I am? A clue that obvious is not evidence of guilt but evidence of a frame-up. Suddenly I realized that I was watching a performance.



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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 11:38 AM
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5. Could you explain why you think finding a Koran
and a flight manual laughable?

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nebula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 03:04 PM
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10. I'm laughing
because it sounds like something out of a Steven Seagal movie.
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noise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 01:37 PM
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8. We see the double standard
Edited on Sat Jan-26-08 02:05 PM by noise
with the CIA tapes scandal. Some suggest 9/11 skeptics are conspiracy nuts OTOH we have the CIA likely employing torture on high level al Qaeda detainees and purportedly destroying evidence of these 'interrogation sessions', making any independent review impossible.
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BeachBaby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 04:03 PM
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11. Thanks, Spooked!
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