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CGowen

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Tue Feb-26-08 07:54 PM
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The Lone Gunmen

Edited on Tue Feb-26-08 07:56 PM by CGowen

Lone Gunmen Producer Questions Government on 9/11
Wonders why TV writers could accurately predict the attack while the government couldn't

February 25, 2008
Cast and crew of the X-Files attended "WonderCon 2008" in San Diego this weekend to discuss the upcoming X-Files movie. During the question and answer, one intrepid audience member asked Chris Carter, creator of X-Files and The Lone Gunmen, about the pilot episode of The Lone Gunmen, which eerily predicted the events of 9/11 that took place in New York mere months after the episode aired on tv. Carter, looking slightly flustered, turned the question over to the Lone Gunmen producer, Frank Spotnitz.

Video of the response is available from YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUVasWIyFKQ

After Carter's bizarre and awkward joke about turning the question over to his producer because he had "a special underground connection" that made him better qualified to answer it, Spotnitz admits he was "disturbed that if we could imagine it (crashing planes into the World Trade Center9 our government didn't, and I didn't understand why we weren't prepared for a tragedy like that." After raising this very valid point about the government and military's complete lack of response on the morning of 9/11, he then quickly dismisses any suggestion that the pilot episode's uncanny prediction of that attack was anything more than a coincidence, as the story was produced merely from an "active imagination."

The episode in question featured rogue elements of the government hijacking a plane by remote control and attempting to fly it into the World Trade Center in order to launch wars in the Middle East.

Highlights of the episode can be seen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUKQz-xm0is

That Spotnitz dismisses the incredible similarities of the episode to the events of 9/11 is perhaps unsurprising, given that he was featured prominently in the BBC Conspiracy Files documentary which attempted—albeit hamhandedly—to discredit the 9/11 "conspiracy theorists"...that is to say, anyone who doesn't believe that the government is not telling us the truth about 9/11, which just happens to be the majority of the population.

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http://www.corbettreport.com/articles/20080225_gunmen_911.htm

Full Episode: http://video.yahoo.com/watch/144821/628861

Interviews with Dean Haglund

http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=393014 ("I think it was staged")

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mk5mlq9aQtE

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CJCRANE

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Tue Feb-26-08 08:48 PM
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1. Zelikow wrote an article

about what would happen if the twin towers were destroyed...so the neocons were fully aware of the possibility and the consequences.

And the fact that the neocons' motive could be predicted in popular culture shows just how obvious an idea it was.

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CGowen

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Tue Feb-26-08 08:51 PM
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2. Was this about 1993 where one tower would knock the other over? n/t

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CJCRANE

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Wed Feb-27-08 08:32 AM
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5. From Foreign Affairs, November/December 1998:

Excerpt:

"If the device that exploded in 1993 under the World Trade Center had been nuclear, or had effectively dispersed a deadly pathogen, the resulting horror and chaos would have exceeded our ability to describe it. Such an act of catastrophic terrorism would be a watershed event in American history. It could involve loss of life and property unprecedented in peacetime and undermine America's fundamental sense of security, as did the Soviet atomic bomb test in 1949. Like Pearl Harbor, this event would divide our past and future into a before and after. The United States might respond with draconian measures, scaling back civil liberties, allowing wider surveillance of citizens, detention of suspects, and use of deadly force."

http://www.foreignaffairs.org/19981101faessay1434/ashton-b-carter-john-deutch-philip-zelikow/catastrophic-terrorism-tackling-the-new-danger.html

Notice that he uses similar language to the PNAC crew re. Pearl Harbor. Also notice the first phrase I've emboldened which reminds me of Giuliani's "too much to bear" speech on 9/11.

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Bolo Boffin

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Wed Feb-27-08 01:16 PM
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6. OMG!!!!!1111!

You're telling me that someone else has used the term "Pearl Harbor" to describe a potential catalyzing event in human history??????

Next, you will be telling me that someone will be using the appearance of the sun every morning to describe another event that occurs with regularity!!!

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CGowen

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Thu Feb-28-08 09:31 AM
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8. Is there a full text for free somewhere? I don't want to subscribe and get Huntington for free

n/t

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CJCRANE

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Thu Feb-28-08 12:47 PM
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9. I don't know to be honest.

I found the link on Wikipedia's entry for Philip Zelikow.

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yurbud

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Thu Mar-06-08 03:52 PM
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19. geeze, he even use ''before and after,'' echoing the ''9/11 changed everything'' crap

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freeze

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Wed Feb-27-08 01:23 AM
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3. Have the producers ever said where they came up with their idea?

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CGowen

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Wed Feb-27-08 07:19 AM
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4. I don't know, Haglund speculated it was from news and wire services at the time,

but the episode was written in the beginning of 2000 and filmed in March 2000 (I'm not 100% sure).

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PerpetualYnquisitive

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Thu Feb-28-08 03:42 PM
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10. It does seem to have been filmed in Mar. 2000

Mr. Haglund, who played Langly on the LoneGunMen series has stated in at least one radio interview that the events of 9/11 paralleled the 'pilot' episode of that series. He seems to support the 'remote controlled plane' meme.

The discussion about 9/11 starts at about the 8:30 point.
http://www.theblackvault.com/bvrn/audio/podcast-2005-01-07-84788.mp3

The Lone Gunmen
Pilot
Fact Sheet

Episode 1AEB79 "Pilot"
Written by: JOHN SHIBAN, VINCE GILLIGAN & FRANK SPOTNITZ
Directed by: ROB BOWMAN

Filming Locations: NEW YORK CITY, NY & VANCOUVER, BC
Shooting from: March 20 - April 7, 2000
Starring: TOM BRAIDWOOD AS MELVIN FROHIKE
DEAN HAGLUND AS RINGO LANGLY
BRUCE HARWOOD AS JOHN F. BYERS
and ZULEIKHA ROBINSON
http://members.tripod.com/lonegunmen1/id29.htm

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Perry Logan

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Fri Feb-29-08 06:40 AM
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16. I saw an interview with the writer of the episode. He said it was written solely to entertain.

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CGowen

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Thu Feb-28-08 09:28 AM
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7. According to wiki it seems that this episode was cut by 4 or so minutes in some European countries.

At least the German version was edited and translated in a different way when the topic was the WTC.

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_einsamen_Sch%C3%BCtzen

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lone_Gunmen_%28TV_series%29

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Flatulo

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Thu Feb-28-08 10:55 PM
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11. Hypothetical question...

Assuming that some government entity did envision the WTC towers having planes flown into them, just what could have been done to prevent such a thing? Could we have sprayed the buildings with plane-proofing? Set up no-fly zones over NYC? Round up and detain all ME males? Anti-aircraft missiles on the Towers?

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CGowen

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Thu Feb-28-08 11:17 PM
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12. If you watched the episode or the clip, you know the scenario

Edited on Thu Feb-28-08 11:18 PM by CGowen

was to fly a remote controlled plane into the WTC to start wars because the cold war was over.
A small faction was responsible and the Lone Gunmen mention(discover)a DOD war game scenario called 12D (Domestic Airline In-Flight Terrorist Act)

There were lots of war games on 911

Like flying a plane into a NRO building and lots of personnel were sent home
http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/cia-simulation.htm

or others
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/context.jsp?item=a63...

I don't know what good people inside the system could do.

Prevent too many drills on one day? How can you control such things?

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greyl

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Thu Feb-28-08 11:54 PM
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13. I think securing the cockpits of large commercial flights could have helped.

Of course, plugging that hole could have led to them simply choosing another one. There's no way to eradicate terrorism or any other crime at all, in reality.

Btw, government agencies did envision terrorists using planes as missiles before 9/11. There were warnings that went unheeded.

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eomer

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Fri Feb-29-08 06:26 AM
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15. The other thing that could have helped is actually trying.

Agreed that there's no way to totally eradicate terrorism. But 9/11 is one case that could easily have been prevented, apparently. And by that I mean prevented by apprehending the perps before it occurred, which would have then kept the direct participants from using any alternative means and would also likely have given leads to take down the conspirators who were supporting them. If they had been actually trying, that is.

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eomer

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Fri Feb-29-08 06:10 AM
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14. Hardened cockpit doors (eom)

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CJCRANE

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Fri Feb-29-08 09:14 AM
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17. Nothing they could do.

Just leave it to the will of God.

:sarcasm:

Of course there's plenty they could have done.
But Bush was "tired of swatting at flies". Better to wait for the big one then go and kick over a hornet's nest.

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yurbud

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Thu Mar-06-08 03:48 PM
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18. I just cross-posted the video by coincidence in political videos to get this out of the dungeon

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=101796&mesg_id=101796

kick it up there and it will lead people here.

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sushiluver

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Sat Mar-08-08 02:41 PM
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20. They probably got that story line from the CIA

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victordrazen

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Tue Mar-25-08 09:03 PM
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26. That is what I think

although maybe you're joking. There is a writer who wrote a book in the 70's (can't remmeber his name) on the wtc being bombed, a very similar story to 911, and he had a background in intelligence/military. So do some of the tv writers, I suspect. That guy, David Angell? (forgive spelling) who was allegedly killed during 911 had a military background, then wrote for television. If you look at the top executives/directors at the networks, there are a lot of people with military/intelligence backgrounds running them, like almost all of the top people, it's weird.

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MinM

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Thu Mar-20-08 11:07 AM
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21. Will the new X-Files Movie tackle the 9/11=FalseFlag

scenario? :shrug:

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wildbilln864

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Thu Mar-20-08 11:47 AM
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22. Not likely IMHO! nt

:hi:

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MinM

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Thu Mar-20-08 05:57 PM
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23. Given that it's produced by FOX

I'll bet you're right.

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FakeFakeFake

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Tue Mar-25-08 07:59 PM
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24. That episode proved Bush & Co LIED about 9/11

saying they never envisioned an attack like that. Lies. Nothing but lies.

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Tue Mar-25-08 09:03 PM
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25. You're absolutely correct FFF!

Welcome to the dungeon by the way. :hi:

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