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demodewd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 10:29 PM
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Russian School Siege A Staged Psy-op?
Edited on Sun Sep-12-04 10:31 PM by demodewd
Russian School Siege Bears Hallmarks of Potential Staged Psy-Op

Paul Joseph Watson for Alex Jones' Prison Planet | September 5 2004

The murky events of the school siege in which hundreds of children were killed are raising disturbing questions as to which entities were actually behind the co-ordination of the attack. Subsequent developments will bring a clearer picture but many indicators point to this event being a staged psy-op.

Most prominent terror incidents over the past twenty years have been state sponsored. That is not to say that the incident in North Ossetia hasn't been a harrowing experience for the victims involved. For them, the events were all too real.

The wave of terror began when two Tupolev passenger airliners crashed within minutes of each other on the night of August 26th.

The election of the Chechen president which took place two days later saw the Kremlin's choice overwhelmingly win with a landslide. The London Guardian called it a 'farcical election'.

The Russians were the only ones to benefit from the plane crashes.

The independent Russian media, what's left of it after years of brutal crackdown, are saying that the planes were not hijacked and bombed by terrorists on board, but that the Russian air defenses purposefully shot down the airliners to then blame the Chechens. The fact that the aircraft wreckage was strewn across a large area supports the shoot down theory more so than the contention that a small shoe bomb was detonated on board.

The past track record of the FSB, the former KGB also lends credence to this contention.

There is a sub-section on Prison Planet.com within the 9/11 archive which details how the apartment bombings of the late 90’s which were blamed on the Chechens, were actually carried out by the Russian FSB. A particular example was in a place called Ryazan, where people witnessed FSB agents planting hexogen explosives, the same explosives we’re told were used to bring this plane down. The first call the 'terrorists' placed was traced to the highest office of the FSB and they were allowed to leave the country.

Whether these planes were taken down by missiles or hexogen explosives, the culprits are still unknown and I firmly believe that we’ll see yet more evidence emerge that this was a staged action, albeit sloppily carried out, as was the March train bombing in Madrid, Spain.

Furthermore, we're now told now that the black boxes were found and that they indicate the pilots tried to save the plane after the explosion had taken place. But initially they said the black boxes hadn’t recorded anything, but now suddenly, after they had blamed the Chechens, they miraculously fix themselves.

In the case of the school siege, one would expect the terrorists' identity to be clear and their demands clearly understood. In this instance, the opposite is the case as a result of a conscious effort by the Russian government to cover-up the true identity and motive of the terrorists.

Any real terrorist organization would claim responsibility for an event almost immediately. Chechen separatist leaders have stated that the Chechens had nothing to do with the plane crashes or the school siege.

The Russian government took the action of blocking all telephone communications in Beslan, supposedly to prevent the terrorists from communicating with outside organizers who were not at the scene of the events. However, if the terrorists had planned to do this, wouldn't they just use radio communications or satellite phones?

The videotape that the hostage-takers gave to the Russian authorities was blank. Why would a tape supposedly containing the demands of the terrorists be blank unless it was deliberately erased by the Russians?

Akhmed Zakayev, a special envoy to Chechen separatist leader Aslan Maskhadov, told the Caucasus Times newspaper, "a third force that brought Russian President Vladimir Putin to power” is behind all the terrorist attacks committed in Russia over the past two weeks.

For weeks myself and Alex Jones stated many times on Alex's radio show that we would probably see a major terrorist incident abroad during the Republican National Convention.

In a sick twist of fate, Bush re-election campaign commericials have been running for weeks where Bush makes reference of a mother being forced to choose between which child she wants to pick up from school in the event of a terrorist attack.

Similar stories have been carried by US news networks related to the school siege in Russia.

Was this merely a coincidence or a carefully crafted brainwashing technique. If it is deliberate then Bush and the people who control him had advanced knowledge of the school siege.

Click here to watch the Bush commercial.

There are several other contradictions to the story that haven't been resolved. Exactly how many of the terrorists escaped and where are they now?

Were FSB agents involved in gunning down any of the victims when the building was stormed?

We will continue to track the fallout of this story as more develops.
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DBtv Donating Member (171 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 10:39 PM
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1. Cui bono?
Who benefits?

Why would Chechen freedom fighters pull an operation that would only galvanize public opinion against them and provide Putin with a golden opportunity to invade and crush them?
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salib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 11:04 PM
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2. And why would Putin or his Adminstration
Want such a horrific event in a region that he has said is "under control", expecially when he has staked much of his political future on bringing the terrorism under control. People are incredibly horrible at times, but not most of the time.
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DBtv Donating Member (171 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 11:42 PM
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3. Because it isn't "under control"?
Edited on Sun Sep-12-04 11:43 PM by DBtv
And because pootie poot needs to help busholini inc spread the al CIAda meme. He wants to get in on the eternal war on terrorism fun.

The power elite is incredibly horrible ALL THE TIME.
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reorg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 12:47 AM
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4. luckily, the Chechen "freedom" fighters

have influental cohorts at their disposal that will see to it that the voice of liberty will not perish:

>> ... The leading Russian critics of Putin's handling of the Beslan crisis are the pro-US politicians Boris Nemtsov and Vladimir Ryzhkov - men associated with the extreme neoliberal market reforms which so devastated the Russian economy under the west's beloved Boris Yeltsin - and the Carnegie Endowment's Moscow Centre. Funded by its New York head office, this influential thinktank - which operates in tandem with the military-political Rand Corporation, for instance in producing policy papers on Russia's role in helping the US restructure the "Greater Middle East" - has been quoted repeatedly in recent days blaming Putin for the Chechen atrocities. The centre has also been assiduous over recent months in arguing against Moscow's claims that there is a link between the Chechens and al-Qaida. ... <<

Not to forget those freedom fighters outside of Russia, such as:

>> ... the American Committee for Peace in Chechnya (ACPC). The list of the self-styled "distinguished Americans" who are its members is a rollcall of the most prominent neoconservatives who so enthusastically support the "war on terror".

They include Richard Perle, the notorious Pentagon adviser; Elliott Abrams of Iran-Contra fame; Kenneth Adelman, the former US ambassador to the UN who egged on the invasion of Iraq by predicting it would be "a cakewalk"; Midge Decter, biographer of Donald Rumsfeld and a director of the rightwing Heritage Foundation; Frank Gaffney of the militarist Centre for Security Policy; Bruce Jackson, former US military intelligence officer and one-time vice-president of Lockheed Martin, now president of the US Committee on Nato; Michael Ledeen of the American Enterprise Institute, a former admirer of Italian fascism and now a leading proponent of regime change in Iran; and R James Woolsey, the former CIA director who is one of the leading cheerleaders behind George Bush's plans to re-model the Muslim world along pro-US lines.

The ACPC heavily promotes the idea that the Chechen rebellion shows the undemocratic nature of Putin's Russia, and cultivates support for the Chechen cause by emphasising the seriousness of human rights violations in the tiny Caucasian republic. It compares the Chechen crisis to those other fashionable "Muslim" causes, Bosnia and Kosovo - implying that only international intervention in the Caucasus can stabilise the situation there. In August, the ACPC welcomed the award of political asylum in the US, and a US-government funded grant, to Ilyas Akhmadov, foreign minister in the opposition Chechen government, and a man Moscow describes as a terrorist. ... <<

http://www.guardian.co.uk/russia/article/0,2763,1299408,00.html

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DBtv Donating Member (171 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 01:43 PM
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7. Why would fascists not support a fellow fascist?

Putin just "reorganized" Russia along the lines of the (anti)Patriot Act.
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reorg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 06:12 PM
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10. maybe you should ask that the gentlemen themselves
While I see no reason to defend the Russian state's actions, the contradiction of interests seems clear.

>> ... Just as was the case in its intervention in Afghanistan, Russia faces the additional problem that the opposition to its policies is aided by the United States. Chechen businessman Malik Saydullayev, who would have been the only credible candidate contesting Alkhanov in the presidential election had he not been barred from running because of a technical problem with his passport, has said that "Russia has geopolitical and geostrategic interests in the Caucasus, the heart of which is Chechnya, and developed N.A.T.O. countries also have interests in the Caucasus. This war is over these interests."

The interest of the United States in the Caucasus is control over oil supplies from the Caspian Sea, which involves securing compliant regimes in the southern Caucasus, including Azerbaijan, where the oil is extracted, and Georgia, through which the Baku-Ceyhan pipeline will pass. As a consequence of this dominant interest, the United States is also committed to thwarting any attempt by Russia to expand its influence in the Caucasus. From the American viewpoint, Russian failure in Chechnya is welcome, as long as it does not get to the point that Chechnya becomes a base for Islamic revolution worldwide.

In the current strategic environment, the United States is constrained to give public support to Russian efforts to curb terrorism, but that does not mean that it takes Russia's side in practice. Not only did the United States criticize the August 29 election as being "neither free nor fair," but it has granted asylum to Ilyas Akhmadov, the foreign minister of Maskhadov's opposition government, leaving him free to pursue diplomacy aimed at winning international support for Maskhadov's Republic of Ichkeria. The Putin regime has complained of an American "double standard" in the "war on terror," but has been powerless to stop the American support of the opposition. ...

http://www.ocnus.net/artman/publish/article_13816.shtml



>> ... Moscow's Chechen war represents another stage in the ever-popular international pursuit of the "Great Game," first introduced by imperialist rivals in the nineteenth century.

The Chechen version began in 1994, when the United States declared the Caspian region "a sphere of interest" for the U.S., as U.S. oil companies started to exploit the region's fossil-fuel resources. That year, the war in Chechnya exploded, exacting hundreds of thousands of Chechen lives and the lives of thousands of Russian soldiers. Opposed to Chechen independence were emerging Russian entrepreneurs, intent on seizing the public wealth left behind by the USSR government. The new Russian power groups, however, are checked in their quest to seize Chechen booty by their equivalent industrial vultures in Chechnya -- Chechen opportunists enriched by oil revenues since 1991. Chechen new-capitalists oppose Russian hegemony and are supported by Turkish secret services, in whom many see the long arm of the United States' C.I.A.

Chechnya's importance to the international oil mafia increased even after peace agreements concluded between rebel Chechens and Russia in 1996. In 1999, Russia opened the oil pipeline connecting the Caspian port of Baku to the Russian port of Novorossiisk on the Black Sea. In 1997, the Russian company, Transneft, which manages the running of the pipeline, agreed to pay to the Chechen rebel party 43 cents of every dollar for every ton of oil passing through the pipeline. In spite of this concession, the pipeline was sabotaged. Frustrated, Russia decided to open a bypass through Dagestan, but Chechen rebels entered Dagestan in August 1999 and rendered the new bypass inoperable. In September, Russia activated its second armed intervention into Chechnya. ... <<

http://www.yellowtimes.org/article.php?sid=854


>> ... As was revealed during the Kosovo crisis that some NATO members (e.g. the U.S.'s CIA) had long trained the KLA against Yugoslavia. That other western-trained Islamic terrorist groups have also been operating in Chechnya in the past, adds an interesting twist to the geopolitical ramifications. In that context, both the destabilization of Yugoslavia and the Soviet Union can be seen as part of the on-going struggle in the 20th century for western powers to maintain control. ... <<

http://www.globalissues.org/Geopolitics/Chechnya.asp#TheSpoilsofOils


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jayfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 12:54 AM
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13. This Is Why.
Putin Anti-terror Initiatives Would Strengthen Kremlin's Grip


<SNIP>
MOSCOW (AP) _ Responding to a spate of deadly terror attacks, President Vladimir Putin announced a series of anti-terror initiatives Monday that would strengthen the Kremlin's grip on every layer of Russian political life.

Putin told Cabinet members and security officials convened in special session that the future of Russia was at stake, and called for creation of a powerful anti-terror agency.

``The organizers and perpetrators of the terror attack are aiming at the disintegration of the state, the breakup of Russia,'' he said. ``We need a single organization capable of not only dealing with terror attacks but also working to avert them, destroy criminals in their hideouts and, if necessary, abroad.''

Despite the plans for the new anti-terrorism agency, the proposals were short on security measures, focusing instead on electoral changes, including the elimination of popularly elected governors and an overhaul of the way Russians elect their parliament _ a measure likely to increase the control of the dominant, pro-Kremlin faction.
</SNIP>

He wants to drive another nail deep into the coffin of Russian Democracy.


Jay


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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 09:11 AM
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6. The single worst way to determine the culprits.
Terrorists are not necessarily rational.

Just more conspiracy-mongering without a single piece of evidence or logic to support it.

Islamist and Chechen nationalist terrorists/militants exist, and they do kill people.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 02:29 PM
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8. Your method of determining the culprits:
Muslim terrorists exist. So they must be the culprits.

They think therefore they are therefore they are guilty?

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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 02:41 PM
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9. Of course not.
Edited on Mon Sep-13-04 02:43 PM by geek tragedy
But all evidence here points towards Chechens and their supporters.

And I said "Islamist terrorists," not "Muslim terrorists." Big difference.

In any event, 99% of what Alex Jones and his ilk say is false anyway. As if they figured out who bombed Madrid but those stupid Spanish/EU investigators couldn't.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 12:05 AM
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11. Really? What EVIDENCE points toward Chechens?
1) The perps didn't speak Chechen.

2) No known Chechen rebel groups have taken credit for this, although they've always been quick to take credit for their terrorist actions in the past. But this time, they all strenuously DENY involvement.

3) Putin just put through the Russian version of the "Patriot" Act in response to this atrocity. So who benefits? The Chechens?

But I'm glad to see that your gullibility for state sponsored disinformation knows no boundaries. And considering the Russian government's long history of openness and honesty, I'm quite sure your blind faith in them will be deservedly rewarded.

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reorg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 12:22 AM
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12. The Chechens certainly don't benefit
Whether the Russians do remains to be seen. As of yet, it is the US who have been able to steadily increase their "sphere of interest" in the Caspian region.

The Russians haven't been too cooperative with the Neocon agenda, and it was just recently that Cheney warned them to "reassess" their attitude ...

"Some of our European friends have been somewhat ambivalent," Mr. Cheney told a town hall meeting inside an airport hangar on the outskirts of this small town in southeast Iowa. He mentioned no nations by name.

Some foreign countries have probably been thinking that "if they kept their heads down," their citizens would not suffer terrorist attacks, the vice president said. "Well, Russia got his anyway," he said.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=825010&mesg_id=825010&page=




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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-04 05:52 AM
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14. Yes, Putin has clearly implied that someone (read: the neocons) has
been busy using Islamic radicals to stir up internal trouble for mother Russia.

Who, us? Use radical Muslims to stir up trouble? Perish the thought ...
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 07:54 AM
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5. And why did they drug those reporters who were headed there?
Edited on Mon Sep-13-04 07:56 AM by soothsayer
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,1302259,00.html

on edit---snip

Concern over Russia's treatment of journalists covering the Beslan siege increased yesterday after a toxicologist revealed that traces of a tranquilliser had been found in a reporter who was arrested on her way to the school.

Nana Lezhava, from Georgia's independent Rustavi-2 TV station, described how she slept for 24 hours after drinking coffee in a holding cell. She had been accused of violating visa rules.

Gela Lezhava, the head of the oversight board at a Georgian drug research institute, told a news conference that urine samples taken from the reporter showed traces of tranquillisers. He said he suspected that the journalist was drugged by the Russian authorities.

The revelation came two days after the renowned Russian investigative reporter Anna Politkovskaya claimed she had been drugged while on a flight to Beslan from Moscow.

more at link
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